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 Post subject: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:40 am 
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Recently sold for 21,000 EUROS.

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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:04 pm 
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Phenomenal helmet ........phenomenal price!

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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:51 am 
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I don't like it at all. Look at how sloppy the star and the center enameled pieces are. Especially the outer ring. These should be works of art. That star and enamel looks like it was made in someone's basement. It does not even come close to the quality of a normal guard officer. :-P

it looks to me like a guard dragoon with a fake star and someone got suckered. Badly.


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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:59 am 
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it looks to me like a guard dragoon with a fake star and someone got suckered. Badly

Thats' a really good observation. I think you are right its looks really grubby, not officer material at all.


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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:46 pm 
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I agree about the wappen. I know of one other and the quality is much nicer. Note also that this is on a Fuerst plate, which is correct for most of the other states, but not this one, which should be a Koenig plate. I suspect this was a helmet from one of the other states that was missing its wappen, and this one has been created to complete it...

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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:54 pm 
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Ref Page 83 of the 1914 Rangeliste under the heading of Adjutanten der Deutschen Fürsten, Oberstlt. Frhr. v. Graß is the Fllugel Adjutant to the Fürst zu Waldeck und Pyrmont, so the use of Fuerst on the helmet plate would be appropriate.

Ref Page 43 of Uniformenkunde Das Deutsche heer by W. Spemann lists the helmet for the Flugel Adjutanten as that worn by the General officers. (which was pattern after the Guard Dragoon helmet).

Ref Page 254 of Pietsch says basically the same thing.

The winning bid was for 21,000 Euro then add the Auction Fee of 23% and shipping and you have a very tidy amount.


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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:29 pm 
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I also noted this helmet in the recent Thiess Auction. In 2002, I had the opportunity to see a wonderful and all original Waldeck Prymont Flugeladjutant in the Kurhessishes Museum outside Kassell. The quality and fine detail of the star looked far superior to the recent offering. I have included a candid photo.


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 Post subject: Re: A RARE ONE Furstentum Waldeck Prymont
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:21 pm 
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jimturinetti wrote:
Ref Page 83 of the 1914 Rangeliste under the heading of Adjutanten der Deutschen Fürsten, Oberstlt. Frhr. v. Graß is the Fllugel Adjutant to the Fürst zu Waldeck und Pyrmont, so the use of Fuerst on the helmet plate would be appropriate.


You're right, of course. I should not have relied on Stubbs as a reference! The fully enamelled wappen as pictured above is what
I would expect of an original...

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