Hi Chas,

Yeah, I remember this thread on a french forum, years ago....It was a storm in a water glass....Nothing more...
Serious collectors are knowing that such zigzag stitch already has existed before 1914. There are in between many 100% authentic Überzüge that assert this fact!

Philippe

Hello,

Clear thing: a bavarian depot marking! (III Bavarian AK).

Philippe

Perhaps, then, this change from gold to silver applied essentially to officer helmets (of which Jim's examples should be a beautiful illustration). I think you nail it! As Larcade wrote in his Tome II (page 52) the AKO of the 21.9.15 was effectively run down by the previous "Verordnung" of the 6.4....

KAGGR#1 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:31 am

What about D R 19 Oldenburg ?

Hi,

DR19 helmets (Oldenburg) always were only silver with gilt chinscales and gilt star between Oldenburg silver emblem and silver eagle (and gilt stars for officers).


Philippe

The white metal center is affixed with two leather tabs. Hi Bruno, These are good news! Solder at this place would have been a big red flag [-X And yes, I agree: a II/GR89 original helmet is an extremly scarce one. You will not see a lot in a collectors life time. To own a good one is a real challe...

Hi Bruno, You are showing us one of the scarcest helmet of the second Reich, like I love them, with trackable name in it. This is one of the best garantee of originality you can have. This rare Wappen is looking good to me too, especially the center which is NOT showing the 4 or 5 soldered points (w...

No better picts of details of each helmet?
Very sad....

Philippe

Brown liners in Shako's are quite common. Of course they are! But to my humble knowledge only from 1915 on...In Tschakos (or Hauben) with grey fittings, or put together during the war. Maybe this Tschako has been assembled by a BJA during the war because of shortage and lack of pieces, with brass f...

Better a "Stahlkopf" than a "Holzkopf"



Philippe

No officer with this name RÖNNPAGE in the Ehrenranglisten 1902, 1907 and 1911....

But one Leutnant RÖNNPAGEL in the JR17 in the Ehrenrangliste 1914-18.....

Philippe

Adler wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:04 am

please make your own specific threads about your wonderful collections people…

Philippe

Leib Grenadier Reserve Regiment 109. #109 was the Garde regiment of the Grand-Duchy of Baden. Hard to give a price without seeing the whole thing in real. As a ballpark figure I would say $ 2000/2300. The white metal chinstrap is not easy to find and can fetch up to $ 500. Flat chinscales will be e...

Hi Bruno, Scarce and beautiful helmet! You are right, reservists and Wehrmänner from Braunschweig were mobilised in the II/RJR73, II/RJR78, III/LJR74 and II/LJR78. As you wrote, old helmets of the JR92 with the "running horse" were given to them, as the whole active JR92 wore the skull since January...

My only wish:
A Grenadier OR helmet from the GR1-GR12, well marked from the Kammer. with wearer name in it and with the big Grenadier Adler. Or a KJR145 after September 1913, even with the Grenadier Eagle...

Philippe

It seems there is a wearer name in the front visor of the Haube It could eventually help to track the unit, if this name is not so common...

Philippe

Beautiful piece of history!

But I am wondering about the fact that the liner is made of brown leather...Should it not be black for this period?

Philippe

a lot of people losing faith in WW2 German / SS items due to the level of fakes WWI headgear, especially Haubes, are already since the two last decades victims of fake (including part helmets)! And unfortunately, those fakes are getting always better and more difficult to track... Philippe :wink:

The big shock of the day was the price the Baden 111 RIR with uberzug made. I hope the buyer appreciates the history behind this piece, they were one of the regiments facing the British on the first day of the Battle of the Somme 1/7/16, £4200 plus 24% ---here To my eyes, as especially interested i...

Hallo Thomas,

I think you are meaning "Niedersachsen" with low Saxony, nicht wahr?

Welcome here!!! For my part, I am living in Schleswig-Holstein, near the danish border
What are you especially collecting?

Philippe

I would really like to see much more details of the EM helmets (JR92, Mecklenburg, Waterloo, old JR115, prussian Grenadier, reserve pioneer, and so on), especially the regiment markings and maybe wearers names \:D/ Much better than a grouping pict! This would be the sherry on the cake! Philippe :wink:

I still wish that we could come up with some information on Johan Weber. Because Johan (or maybe Johann) WEBER most probably was a OYV before 1897, it is impossible to track him in the 1914-18 Verlustlisten, as he was then certainly more than 40 years old and in the Landsturm, or even no longer ser...

There really were two guys called TREBBE at the 7/78. Bernhard TREBBE, lightly wounded 1914: http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/228636 And Gerhard TREBBE, lightly wounded 1915: http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/3207780 And two others TREBBE were at the 3 and 5/78. Do you know how difficult and ...

Is the name on the cloth tag still readable?

Philippe

Hi Gents, I have a different opinion. Let have a look to another exemple of name tag in a old R72 helmet: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/c1kAAOSwgARa8cFx/s-l1600.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Ev4AAOSwgcVa8cE-/s-l1600.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/K6EAAOSw2q9a8cFd/s-l1600.jpg This guy can b...

I am wondering about the Überzug "213" with red numbers :-k The RJR213 was a part of 48 reserve units which were formed October 1914. Most of them were sent to Flandern fields, as the RJR213. 2.1.2 Reserve-Infanterie-Regimenter: In zwei großen Raten wurden im Oktober 1914 die 48 Reserve-Infanterie-R...

Yes, fireman helmet with motto: "Gott zur Ehre, dem Nächsten zur Wehre"

Philippe

Not sure if it would take the enlisted pattern, or the NCO pattern kokarde of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha if the helmet owner was an Unteroffizier. The rank of Unteroffizier (between Gefreiter and Sergeant) always wear EM cokades! Feldwebel and Vizefeldwebel (Unteroffiziere with Portepee) are wearing the spe...

Friedrich SCHAMBERGER, 9/107, first missing during the fight of 21.2.1915: http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/1680595 In a later publication, k.i.a (french source): http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/3088228 At this time, the JR107 (24 RD) wad in Flandern and Artois. But the Red cross mentions h...

All in their unit got the steel pots. One other point - My interviews were conducted about 50 years ago and that was 50 years after the fact. Yes, it´s a long time ago..... But the fact that they all got the steel pots and the organisation of two different depots is maybe a simple question of perio...

I should also point out that not only did they pass the helmets on to the replacements, but that chin straps were in short supply and they were required to take the strap from their Pickelhaube to use on the steel helmet. Many years back I recall seeing a steel helmet that had a set of cockades (Ba...

In conclusion, my helmet should wear a green/white/green cockade, and not the IR94 cockade I adorned it with... correct? "Should", Bruno, should.... #-o I think we will never know that exactly, because this authentic veteran helmet is breaking the rules on the whole line with its big reserve cross ...

I’m sorry, hope I may correct you Philippe :? On the top of your Kriegsstammrolle is written „Anton Hans Rickel“. An example for Kurrent „B“ is shown on the 2nd sheet, the 1st letter at the right column (The word is „Besitzt“). It seems your guy Anton Bickel is another one. :( Sandy, I have made th...

Very interesting information Philippe. Anton Bickel was killed by the end of 1916, most likely wearing a Stahlhelm. I wonder where Pickelhauben were kept during the battle. Did soldiers leave them in some depot before marching to the frontline? Did they keep a steel helmet and a spiked helmet till ...

this Pickelhaube was probably worn by some Unteroffizier. For sure Bruno, this scarce Feldwebel Reuss cockade is the best proof that the wearer had this special rank, obviously already at the mobilisation! This kind of Reich Feldwebel cokade would fit perfectly at the other side: https://i62.servim...

About the five helmets above, yes, they are all battlefield pickups, all untouched and left as they were. And they all have the name of wearer in them. - The RJR94 helmet (barn find) has been taken on a german soldier in Droiselles-Rozières during a fight with french cavalry on the 9.9.14. - The JR1...

Bruno, Your helmet is interesting! The name TARCHER does not bring any results, no such name in the whole german lists. I presume this was a guy who wore this helmet during peace time, long time before the mobilisation. But......Interestingly, your helmet has been assembled from a lot of old parts t...

To the attention of Joe, here are some new stamps for the list! :wink: JR94 1910 and IB RJR94 https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/71/11/59/rjr94j12.jpg https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/71/11/59/rjr94k12.jpg https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/71/11/59/rjr94a13.jpg 125R (late maker mark of 1914 in the shel...

Hi Bruno,

A great example of those scarce helmets!
Did you add a Reich Portepee Unteroffizier cockade too?

I did the same on my JR76/RJR76, only the scarce Feldwebel hanseatic cockade was on the helmet.

Philippe

Sandmann wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:23 am

could you please explain how do you found the other records and what does the abbreviation „MGK“ stands for?

Sandy,

Answer to your first question: just enter the place of birth and /or first name
Answer to your second question: MGK = Maschinen-Gewehr-Kompanie

Philippe

There was a Friedrich Jünemann in IR 160. He was born on 27th of october 1893 in Uthleben and possibly taken prisoner (missed) 89307D02-5900-4E93-A17D-2B0E133A86A1.png This Friedrich JÜNEMANN was not officer. If yes, it is always mentioned in the Verlust-Listen. This guy was EM and in the MGK/JR160...

what's most important, is that the chinstrap in Neusilber fittings is there and original. I could care less that it broke in the middle and was sewn together at some point. Tony, I have a very similar chinstrap reparation on one of my saxon M15. No doubt for me, this kind of seam is period! https:/...

Here are the articles:

http://pickelhauben.net/articles/

Just scroll down and click

Philippe

stuka f wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:24 am

I seem to remember that there wasn't any date on it...

One can clearly read a few times "December" or "décembre", one time the year "1916" and one time "20 December"

Philippe

You seem to have archives for everything. Unfortunately not, Bruno :( Big desaster that the prussian Kriegsstammrollen were destroyed during WWII, so the saxon ones...But the bavarian, Baden and Württemberg Kriegsstammrollen are saved and still complete! Such a great fun to search through them, alt...

All is matching together! One can find Franz WOLTER (born 17.7.1888) in the prisoners register of the Red Cross: https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/fr/File/Zoom/D/15/01/C_G1_D_15_01_1688/C_G1_D_15_01_1688_0522_0.JPG/ https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/fr/File/Zoom/D/15/01/C_G1_D_15_01_1688/C_G1_D_15_01_1688_0...

It does look like "Woyter"L1010098.JPG Not WOYTER but WOLTER :wink: There are a few WOLTER in the RJR81... 4 or 5 guys with this name, but there is only one in the 2. Bataillon. WOLTER, 5/RJR81, without mentioning of his first name and rank, missing during the fight at Petit-Noir (22.8.14) and Trem...

Major Seelemann was killed on 9/9/14... does it mean that RIR81 was engaged at La Marne? Yes! RJR81 was here (21 RD): 1914 Westfront 22.08.1914 - 23.08.1914: Schlacht bei Neufchâteau 24.08.1914: Tremblois 24.08.1914 - 29.08.1914: Schlacht an der Maas 25.08.1914 - 26.08.1914: Carignan 28.08.1914: Yo...

One Ersatz-helmets variation more!

There were so much, it is impossible to classify them perfectly Lack of leather made the Germans very creative!

Philippe

Gents, As Ron suggested in a parallel post, it could be interesting to make an analysis of the chemical treatment of M15 fittings and compare the different hues of grey. I only have two M15, they are both saxon. One very dark with owner name in it of a guy (Moritz THIEME I) in the 6/RJR245, taken pr...

Do you happen to know whether IR87 had some of its reserve in RJR81?.. Bruno, as the Hartwigs Busche´s "Formationsgeschichte des deutschen Infanterie 1914-18" mentions: Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 81 ℜ Aufgestellt in Meschede (R.Stb., I.), Siegen (II.) und Wetzlar (III.) Unterstellung: 21. Res....