M1910 Kratzchen for review

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M1910 Kratzchen for review

Post by lugerfan » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:53 am

Hi all,

I have been trying to track down a decent WW1 German cap to add to the collection, any chance of an opinion on this one please. Not sure on the printed markings inside, Rgt.89 seems a little odd?

There are red and black felt pads behind the cockades, which I think is a good sign?

Thanks for any comments

Lugerfan....

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Post by b.loree » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:48 pm

I only own one of these and I am no expert on them. However, I have never seen one with kokarde stitching done horizontally, it is always vertical. The feldgrau cloth overall looks too fuzzy to me but again, I am no expert, this is just my impression from what I see. To me this is a re enactor piece....modern. Plus that "Regt 89"..... I have never seen any original Imperial German items marked like that. Last, no sweat stains on the liner.
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Re: M1910 Kratzchen for review

Post by lugerfan » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:48 pm

b.loree wrote:I only own one of these and I am no expert on them. However, I have never seen one with kokarde stitching done horizontally, it is always vertical. The feldgrau cloth overall looks too fuzzy to me but again, I am no expert, this is just my impression from what I see. To me this is a re enactor piece....modern. Plus that "Regt 89"..... I have never seen any original Imperial German items marked like that. Last, no sweat stains on the liner.

thanks for the feedback, pretty sure it was a repro or re enactor. The seller had an excellent returns policy, so it was a useful lesson. Onwards and upwards in the search for a good one.. cheers

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:26 pm

lugerfan ;
Do you live in the States
If so try the S O S 2017 at Louisville , Ky.
I would bet there would be one there
If not you will sure meet people who can help you

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:21 pm

The problem with one you posted is the liner. I can solve your problem.

Here are three textbook originals. I will sell you one of these if you wish. $475 USD each + postage.

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/h ... fgch02.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/h ... fgch03.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/h ... fgch01.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Spiker » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:18 am

Very nice Krätzchens Tony ! :thumb up:
If I didn’t have those already, I would be ordering right now.
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Post by WWI Collector » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:56 am

Tony without Kaiser wrote:The problem with one you posted is the liner. I can solve your problem.

Here are three textbook originals. I will sell you one of these if you wish. $475 USD each + postage.

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Field grey caps like this are impossible to find!

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:08 am

Tony without Kaiser wrote: Here are three textbook originals. I will sell you one of these if you wish.
Nothing? All right then. Best of luck finding a good one. Tony
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Post by Neil Young » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:02 pm

Are there caps like that for Imperial cavalry Tony?
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Post by Gustaf » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:02 pm

b.loree wrote:I only own one of these and I am no expert on them. However, I have never seen one with kokarde stitching done horizontally, it is always vertical. The feldgrau cloth overall looks too fuzzy to me but again, I am no expert, this is just my impression from what I see. To me this is a re enactor piece....modern. Plus that "Regt 89"..... I have never seen any original Imperial German items marked like that. Last, no sweat stains on the liner.
The horizontal vs vertical argument comes up often, but I do not buy into that. All of the caps I have owned have had the Kockarden sewn on vertically, but looking at Tony's photos, two of the three offered here have the Kockarden sewn on horizontally.
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Post by lugerfan » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:27 pm

Tony without Kaiser wrote:The problem with one you posted is the liner. I can solve your problem.

Here are three textbook originals. I will sell you one of these if you wish. $475 USD each + postage.

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/h ... fgch02.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/h ... fgch03.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/feldgrau/h ... fgch01.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Hi Tony, thanks for your reply and the kind offer, apologies for the slow response from my side but have been on vacation with very limited web access. Have sent you a PM,

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Re: M1910 Kratzchen for review

Post by lugerfan » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:17 am

Hi all,

just wanted to give big thanks to Tony for his help in filling a hole in my collection, he kindly agreed to sell me the Bayern Infantry Krätzchen from his collection. some pictures below from Tony's site....

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Post by coert65 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:31 am

Nice original Bavarian,congratulations, :bravo:

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Re: M1910 Kratzchen for review

Post by kaiser » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:08 am

Thats a good one looks mutch better than the other one i must say

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Post by lugerfan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:48 am

Thanks guys \:D/

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Post by ccj » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:54 am

Dang Tony, I need the top one.... 8-[
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:37 pm

ccj wrote:Dang Tony, I need the top one.... 8-[
Sure. I'll let you get that one from me. Superb example. I sent you an email. T
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Re: M1910 Kratzchen for review

Post by Chip M. » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:01 pm

The original cap posted in this thread is a fake. The maker marking has been copied from an original cap and a rubber stamp made. l had posted many of my issue caps on other websites and found to my dismay that all of the nice markings were being lifted and used to make reproductions. I had a talk with the seller/maker and he agreed to stop using the stamps he made from my caps, but anyone could do this. It's very disheartening. Carl Bangert was a legitimate period maker and I have a cap made by him, though the style of this stamp is different than the one in my cap. The regimental stamp is completely wrong.

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