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Found !!! REPLICA Grey 92

Post by pickelhauben » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:23 pm

I have a local buddy who collects Nazi stuff and he got a lead on a foot locker full of militaria from a vet who brought it over from WW2. My buddy found this spike and gave me a call knowing I collect them .

A grey 92 Brunswick with c/s and cocardes !!!!!!!!!!!

But it is not marked.


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Post by pickelhauben » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:36 pm

Lies--Lies--Lies !!! :^o :^o :^o

The helmet and cocardes are original. The helmet came from e-bay and the cocardes are from my original Running Horse Bruns.

The repro plate is copper ( Polish )and I am not sure what the death head is made of. But it started out being made out of a silver metal.

I have about 7 layers of paint and filters to make it come alive and it does look original in hand .

I used 3 shades of gray, black ,yellow and 2 shades of dark brown.

Of course the back of the plate is another story. I am not done with that .

I saw probably the only one known in the collectors world in Randy T's book and after talking to him I had to have one of my own fake or not.

I sent him a few pics of the finished piece to Randy and he said it fooled him !!!! Maybe he was just being nice

Ohh.. the chinstrap is a fake as well. I took some modern buckles and miked them down to original size and used some old leather for the strap.

An original grey 92 will PROBABLY NEVER EVER turn up and if it did , I know that I would not be able to afford it .

So with a little paint and a little painting skills I made my own.
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Post by b.loree » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:55 pm

Congrats Matt that is one sick reproduction! You have a scary skill set, good thing you are an honest man. :thumb up:
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Re: Found !!! Grey 92

Post by SkipperJohn » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:08 pm

OMG!
You are quite the artist.
Excellent copy.

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Re: Found !!! Grey 92

Post by 911car » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:58 am

Amazing.
For even more credibility eye sockets should be painted black.

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Post by pickelhauben » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:50 am

911car wrote:Amazing.
For even more credibility eye sockets should be painted black.
That is what Randy T said .

But the "real " helmet in his book looks like it was done with a felt marker , so I left them natural.

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Post by 911car » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:23 am

Not much black paint left on mine. Nostrils were also painted black.

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Re: Found !!! Grey 92

Post by pickelhauben » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:07 am

You have an original ?

PLEASE SHOW MORE PICS !!!!!

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:11 pm

Bruno ;
I had heard over the years there is a collector
out your way who has / had an original Feldgrau I R 92
Is where you happen to get yours ?
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P S my collector friend in Belgium has one

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Post by 911car » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:24 pm

KAGGR#1 wrote:Bruno ;
I had heard over the years there is a collector
out your way who has / had an original Feldgrau I R 92
Is where you happen to get yours ?
Thanks
Steve McFarland
P S my collector friend in Belgium has one
Steve, I also know a collector in Belgium who owns one in pristine condition. We may talk of the same person. Mine does not come from a collection; it was found in a farm in Southern France, in the Montpellier region.
Bruno

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Great Find !
Belgium ; 3 different collections
1. Officers
2. e m pre -war Kammer
3. Feldgrau rare regiments
I have been there and seen it in person
it took me 1 entire day to do photos

the Calif. collector is E C
do you know him ?

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Re: Found !!! Grey 92

Post by stuka f » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:18 am

I was offered a grey one, a few years ago.
The guy was moving to Wijnegem or Wommelgem (Belgium) at that time.
He wrote a book in wich the helmet appeard. #-o
But it was identifiyed as a galvoplast copy, at the time, by "someone" here on the forum :wink: .
Can't give more details (exept for the "someone" on the forum :wink: ) because I lost them in my latest computer crash.
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Re: Found !!! Grey 92

Post by edwin » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:19 am

Nice job, congrats =D>

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Post by JR92 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:36 am

Hello,

Just for the pleasure...

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Post by b.loree » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:40 am

WoW! Very nice, that is incredibly rare. Great post! Are there any markings?
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Post by JR92 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:27 am

Hello,
Sorry, but this is also a little work a friend, painter and decorator, has made for me.

The method is fairly similar to that one :
The repro plate is copper ( Polish )and I am not sure what the death head is made of. But it started out being made out of a silver metal.

I have about 7 layers of paint and filters to make it come alive and it does look original in hand .

Of course the back of the plate is another story. I am not done with that .

\:D/
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Post by festwagner » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:46 pm

So, we must be very careful with such scare helmets...

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Post by argonne » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:16 pm

festwagner wrote:So, we must be very careful with such scare helmets...
Francois,

Again, a beautiful lapsus :D Scarce helmets can sometimes cause some scare :D

However, in my humble opinion, those kind of "pleasant" games consisting in "re-producing" some scarce helmets are a very dangerous thing that I can not understand [-X
OK, the person who are producing them may be honest at the moment, but how about it in 10, 20 or 30 years, when those kind of fakes will have left the collection of the "maker"?

I can not agree with it, sorry....It´s a game with fire...

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Post by pickelhauben » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:42 am

Up dated my original pictures but they are a bit small .

You can click on them and they will pop up larger.

I asked Skipper John on how he did his , but he lost me with his tech talk :oops:

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Post by SkipperJohn » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:24 pm

pickelhauben wrote:Up dated my original pictures but they are a bit small .

You can click on them and they will pop up larger.

I asked Skipper John on how he did his , but he lost me with his tech talk :oops:
I've never been accused of that before!

I take the photo and download it to my computer. If I try to add that photo to picorator it comes out extremely large, so before I put it in picorator I open it on my computer in a program called "paint". I resize the photo to 50% and then save it. This adjusts the size of my original photo. I then add the resized photo to picorator, and from there I add it to the forum.

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Post by pickelhauben » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:11 pm

Reposted pics now they are huge !!

I guess I need to re shoot them smaller

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Post by SkipperJohn » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:01 pm

pickelhauben wrote:Reposted pics now they are huge !!

I guess I need to re shoot them smaller
I had the same problem. You just have to play with the sizing on your computer before you load them.

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Post by pickelhauben » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:35 am

argonne wrote:
festwagner wrote:So, we must be very careful with such scare helmets...
Francois,

Again, a beautiful lapsus :D Scarce helmets can sometimes cause some scare :D

However, in my humble opinion, those kind of "pleasant" games consisting in "re-producing" some scarce helmets are a very dangerous thing that I can not understand [-X
OK, the person who are producing them may be honest at the moment, but how about it in 10, 20 or 30 years, when those kind of fakes will have left the collection of the "maker"?

I can not agree with it, sorry....It´s a game with fire...

Philippe
Yes that could be the case.

But as we all know they are not out there . So I have made one until the right priced one comes along.

The last one that came up on ebay sold for $6,000 with a nice plate and a wrecked helmet.

New pics posted with smug hug.

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Post by 911car » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:49 pm

I am with Philippe on this one. Interesting how collectors may have different feelings on such an issue. For me any copy of a helmet or plate is an absolute no no. Not negotiable. The real thing stimulates imagination by its history, what we assume it has seen. If it was made last month the magic just does not work. At all. It may even drive negative feelings. I will never have a copy of a helmet I cannot find or afford. This applies to other antiques as well.
However I certainly understand and respect the fact that others, such as Pickelhauben, have different opinions! And I must acknowledge that this IR92 plate copy is amazingly good!
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Post by pickelhauben » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:02 pm

Thanks Bruno,

And thank you all who have commented.

When I first saw the original in Randy T's book I was hit by an overwhelming awe.

I had to have one way or the other.

So I brought this helm to life .

Normally I would not put a fake helm on the shelf but this one is different ( in my eyes) because I made it and it does not look half bad.

Being rather proud of it I sent a few pics out to board members .

Then as a joke I thought it would be cool to make up a story on how I found it and post right after of it being a fake.

Apparently by posting it I ruffled a few feathers to the extant have having a moderator insert REPLICA in my subject title.

This is fine with me .

This whole subject just means one thing , we as collectors need to stay on our toes because no one knows what is lurking out their that is wanting to take our hard earned money away from us.

And stories that come with our collectables is just that .

A story.

It will remain on the shelf ( it is still way cool ) until I find an original to replace it .

Only one cow was harmed in the making of this pickelhaube.

Orr.... possibly up to 7.

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Post by Jaap Verduijn » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:06 pm

"(...) how about it in 10, 20 or 30 years, when those kind of fakes will have left the collection of the "maker"? (...)"

That's why last month, after I obtained a replica (Prussian Line Mannschaft M95), I wrote with a big indelible marker "REPLICA" on the inside. When the end comes, my dear daughters will know that they've been left a helmet of which the only value consisted of the pleasure it gave their old dad :D

That pleasure consists for an important part of, after marking it, having buggered up the shining new replica to such an extend that from the outside it looks sufficiently worn and genuine to fool the eye of the casual beholder. It's really surprising what liberally administered cigar ashes, lots of hookah smoke plus the sparks/smoke of "Three Kings" hookah coals can do. I made a brand new antique looking fake :D, which is an extra reason for marking the thing in the way shown in the picture.

During my first real collection in the 1980's I once bought a tschapka that turned out to be a replica - a damn good one so I only found out when, after having had it for a few weeks, I decided to give it a real good inspection. My own silly fault - I forgot the age old adage "Caveat Emptor".


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Post by argonne » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:47 pm

Hi Jaap!

Not very difficult to see that this helmet is a fake :D

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Post by Jaap Verduijn » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:01 pm

Oh yes, Philippe, I made that very clear which was probably a bit of an overkill (grin)! But from the outside it's beginning to look quite satisfactorily salty, to please my ancient eyes. Took the pic several days ago showing what some TUC (Tender UNloving Care) can do - in the meantime it's become somewhat more worn looking, just like its impoverished owner :D

I have to admit that it's a bit like going to bed with an inflatable doll: it leads where one wants to go, but it never reaches the quality of the real thing :P.

Fifty years from now though, few people will know the difference - which is why I made it bloody clear, on behalf of posterity.

Actually, after I moved the Knöpfe 91 up about 15mm, at first glance the only thing that gives the game away on the outside is the ventilation slide on the back spine which is about 20 mm too low. At closer inspection you, I, and 99 percent of the members here see through it within seconds on account of lots of other issues, one of the more glaring being that the leather is turned inside out: flesh side is inside and skin side is outside.

Maybe some time I'll have the money to buy myself a real Pickelhaube again. I'm thinking about selling my Fairbairn Sykes Third Pattern "fighting" knife along with some other military knives and stuff (I must also have an M17 somewhere, and an Adrian) I still have from the olden days - it's not impossible that the results will enable me to get a fair dinkum Pickelhaube again. Who knows?

In the meantime I kind of look at my replica like the late Hugh Hefner looked at his Bunnies: not for their intrinsic values but simply to have something better to watch than telly.

Be well, matey!

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