M 15 Line Kurassiers

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M 15 Line Kurassiers

Post by Spiker » Wed May 27, 2015 3:23 pm

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Lachmann –Berlin , Schulz & Holdefleiss –Berlin , Herm. Weissenburger & Cie. Canstatt
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Post by Khukri » Wed May 27, 2015 3:26 pm

:thumb up:
Great set !

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Post by Spiker » Thu May 28, 2015 3:20 am

Thanks Francis.

To do a little comparing; :study:

The spike on the Holdefleiss is made out of two pieces, and not often seen in this way, maybe here ,still in a state of development.

The wappen on the Lachmann and the Weissenburger are identical, the inside lugs are square.
The wappen on the Holdefleiss has the pointy banner.

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The liner in the Holdefleiss is black and in the others with untreated lamb skin.

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The cockades are all of different sizes ,the smallest is on the Lachmann ,just like the infantry helmet ,slightly bigger is the one on the Weissenburger ,and the biggest is on the Holdefleiss.

The neck tail of the Lachmann has an extra weld finish, while the others don’t.

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These are not rules ! just observations ,it would be perfectly possible, during the years of production ,that for instance Holdefleiss suddenly decided to make helmets with untreated lamb skin too .
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Post by Khukri » Thu May 28, 2015 5:22 am

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That's what makes this forum unique.

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Post by joerookery » Thu May 28, 2015 7:53 am

That was a tremendous comparison. Thank you for that!
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Re: M 15 Line Kurassiers

Post by RON » Thu May 28, 2015 10:14 am

Great set Ed!

Still looking for my perfect Lachmann myself #-o

From your photos, the Holdefleiss seems to have the cavalry M15 adler while the other 2 have a regular infantry style M15 wappen.
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Post by Spiker » Thu May 28, 2015 10:41 am

RON wrote:
From your photos, the Holdefleiss seems to have the cavalry M15 adler while the other 2 have a regular infantry style M15 wappen.
Yes they do and that’s how they were issued ,the wappen on the Lachmann was almost bolted on ,as the leather pieces completely turned stonehard.
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Post by RON » Thu May 28, 2015 10:56 am

Actually, to this date, I haven't seen a Lachmann with a Cavalry-style wappen.
Starting with Tony's (Kaiser Bunker) all the way to Ed's.
So they do seem to have always been issued with Infrantry-style adlers.
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Re: M 15 Line Kurassiers

Post by Adler » Fri May 29, 2015 4:46 am

Really amazing Ed!

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Post by 911car » Sat May 30, 2015 3:27 pm

What a great "Konvolut", Ed! Congratulations.
The Lachman I own also has the infantry-type eagle.
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Post by ww1czechlegion » Sat May 30, 2015 8:29 pm

Super trio of M15 Kurassiers Ed, Congratulations! =D> :bravo:

My Lachman also has the Infantry style e.m. eagle.

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Post by glenn66 » Sun May 31, 2015 2:05 am

Wonderful collection! :thumb up: I am still looking for my first Kurassier...

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Post by Westfront » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:37 am

Fantastic trio :bravo: .

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Post by poniatowski » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:33 pm

Wonderful trio Ed! Would you mind if I printed out the last comparison photo? The differences in shape are very interesting.

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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:08 pm

Great discussion, both of my Lachmanns also have standard wappen.

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Re: M 15 Line Kurassiers

Post by Spiker » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:32 am

Thank you for the enthusiasm gents. :)
poniatowski wrote:Wonderful trio Ed! Would you mind if I printed out the last comparison photo? The differences in shape are very interesting.

:D Ron
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Spiker wrote:Thank you for the enthusiasm gents. :)
poniatowski wrote:Wonderful trio Ed! Would you mind if I printed out the last comparison photo? The differences in shape are very interesting.

:D Ron
Go ahead Ron, I’m glad you find my pictures interesting. :thumb up:
Thanks! Done. Yes, these are great photos and some very nice helmets. You have a fine collection.

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Post by poniatowski » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:38 am

This puts me in the mind to keep an eye out for an M15 Kuerassier spike and base. I bought my M15 (a CE Junker) many years ago when I knew little of spiked helmets and it has a line infantry spike on it... probably not original to the helmet. [-( So, a way to improve an otherwise nice helmet.

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Post by Spiker » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:39 am

Indeed Ron ,there are no period pictures known to me with an M 15 being equipped with the infantry spike ,although Weitze is selling a Lachmann like that. :twisted:
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Post by RON » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:00 am

You're right Ed, that one has been there for a while although with almost all its grey paint gone...

I always wonder why they don't mention or at least try to fix those discrepancies, especially when their asking prices are higher than most other dealers, and that's before taxes! [-(
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RON wrote:You're right Ed, that one has been there for a while although with almost all its grey paint gone...

I always wonder why they don't mention or at least try to fix those discrepancies, especially when their asking prices are higher than most other dealers, and that's before taxes! [-(
My thoughts exactly
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Post by poniatowski » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:26 am

Spiker wrote:Indeed Ron ,there are no period pictures known to me with an M 15 being equipped with the infantry spike ,although Weitze is selling a Lachmann like that. :twisted:
I bought mine from Joe Walters back in the late 1970's, I think it was around $250 or so and was my first Kurassier helmet. I didn't know spikes from spikes back then. Yup, time to keep an eye out. :wink: A good one will turn up sooner or later (for more than the price of the helmet!).

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Post by b.loree » Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:01 pm

A great comparison and rare for collectors to have a chance to actually look at kurassier helmets made by 3 different companies. I would also point out the different shape of the lobster tails shown in the 2 helmet picture. These differences once again, get us back to the lack of ultimate standardization in manufacture which was a fact during these times.
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Post by poniatowski » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:09 pm

b.loree wrote:A great comparison and rare for collectors to have a chance to actually look at kurassier helmets made by 3 different companies. I would also point out the different shape of the lobster tails shown in the 2 helmet picture. These differences once again, get us back to the lack of ultimate standardization in manufacture which was a fact during these times.
Exactly what I found interesting and why I wanted to print out the photos. A great comparison indeed.

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Great collection very nice photoshoot. :thumb up: .

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Post by Pickelhaube » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:55 am

Superbe trio of m15 line kurassiers. It's great to compare the differences between the different makers.

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Post by derekb » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:26 am

Good Afternoon,

I wsas looking at a helmet which appeared to be identical to those above, it was brown with nicotine stains.

The inside was marked "Juncker 1915"
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The initial asking price is £850.00, would anyone give some advice.

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Post by Khukri » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:39 am

Hello Derek;

Any pictures of this helmet ?

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Post by derekb » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:56 am

I'm afraid not a;lthough I will try get some photos.

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Post by b.loree » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:59 am

That's a bit expensive IMO. They average.... approx$1,000 to 1,200 US depending on completeness. I would watch for one on US Ebay, they are common and your money is worth more.
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Post by derekb » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:34 am

Brian,

Thank you for your advice.

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Post by glenn66 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:47 am

Ed, your line Kurassiers are superb!

I wonder, what (if anything) do you use to polish the shells? I have an M15 on its way to me now and it shows some light surface rust. I figure to use a rust remover solution and then coat the shell in renaissance wax to protect against further corrosion.

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Post by Spiker » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:12 am

I don’t know about a rust removing product ,it may be too aggressive ,I use an old metal polish paste, the tube I use must be older than me ,but I think the substance hasn’t changed much.
And yes, protecting an unpainted metal surface with wax is always a good idea.
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Post by glenn66 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:26 am

A bit or research today has it that evapo-rust is good for heavy rust and rust and blue remover is good for the light rust.

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Post by glenn66 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:05 am

Well my M15 Kurassier arrived today (thank you Tony) and I have to say it is beautiful! No need for rust removal or polishing in my opinion. Just hold it gently and admire... :thumb up:

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Post by Khukri » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:48 am

A beauty !
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:53 am

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:51 pm

Glenn, I am happy you are pleased with this M15 Preußen Kürassier Lachmann. The Lachmann of all manufacturers is the most 'elegant' to my eye.

I had that M15 Kürassier Lachmann since about 1988 (?). I think (?) I obtained it at a German auction, perhaps Kube. I really cannot recall on this one. So I have had it about 28 years.

This is the best example I ever had. Enjoy it.

And Ed , wow. WHAT a photo! Best M15 Kürassier collection I have ever seen. well done. T
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Post by Spiker » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:20 am

Nice one Glenn , you ‘d be hard pressed to find a better one ,especially with the rim still in feldgrau.


Thanks for the nice feedback Tony.
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Post by b.loree » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:22 pm

Glenn....what is "blue remover" for light rust ??
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Post by glenn66 » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:17 am

Hi Brian,

Rust and Blue remover is a solution that removes rust and old blue easily and quickly without damaging base metal.
Supposedly safe for removing old finish from firearms, muzzleloaders and antiques.

It sounds like it could be useful for removing light rust without being too aggressive. I haven't tried it and was only considering it based on some web research. As I stated above, I intend to leave my Lachmann well alone and only apply either an annual gun oil treatment or coat of renaissance wax.

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:33 pm

glenn66 wrote: // I intend to leave my Lachmann well alone and only apply either an annual gun oil treatment or coat of renaissance wax. //
Gun oil only please. Once yearly if its humid. No wax :thumb up:
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