Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

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Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:54 am

This helmet i have purchaced a few weeks ago
It olso was discussed here in the ebay section
I just replaced the cocades and the frontplate with the correct ones
This particilar model was olso sold at the late michael baldwin auction
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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:20 am

If you look closely you can clearly see the whire mesh that was uesd on this helmet
The outside is covered with lackered felt as the inside was left undied
You olso can see the tread that holds the liner on to the shell
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Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:54 am

Could that be the cloth lining on the front and rear visors ?

This was done on some Off and private purchase helmets.

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:31 am

Its harder to be cloth i guess
Its hard to determen what material it is
The circomfence was ones covered with a leather rim but now most is gone from handeling it, at least at the rear of the helmet
Thats why the whire mesh is visible
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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by Tony without Kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:04 am

What about the mesh used for fibreglass? That could be a possibility as the manufacturers were directed to keep helmets light. Very often on a Vulkanfibre helmet you can see this exact type of mesh showing though on the surface, especially if worn a bit by an Überzug.
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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:20 am

I thougt that the lines you often see on those fibreglass helmets was the result from pressing the fibreglass into a mould to give shape to the helmet
The fibreglass from my helmet is about 1 mm thick as for the whire mesh its roughly 3 to 4 mm thick

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by SkipperJohn » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:25 pm

I remember bidding on this helmet. I was very curious about it but questioned it's authenticity.
Do you have any history or photos of other helmets manufactured like this one?
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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:32 pm

In the books from michael baldwin the same helmet is in discusion and even in the past auction of late mr baldwin the same type of helmet was offered in auction i wil try to post the fotos as well as a part of the explanation that was written in the book

Looks like i was the one that outbid you on it

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:45 pm

These are the fotos and a part of the explanation regarding this type of helmet
This is a very rare helmet
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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by SkipperJohn » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:50 pm

I'm glad you got it!
I simply could not find any information on it so I only offered the minimum bid.
I started a thread about this one here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11593
I am delighted that a collector who knew more about these ersatz finally ended up with it.
Now I have the opportunity to "pick your brain" for all of the information I can get on these.

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:59 pm

I went in on this topic to explain that it could easely be a genuine one i even gave the information from my book
Thats why i went all in on this helmet becose i already knew what was on sale here

Thats why we are here to share information to other collectors who might come acrose one like this in the future

This particilar helmet ended up in belgium, i wonder where the helmet from the auction ended up

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Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by coert65 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:01 pm

Very nice helmet Jonas,

I just read about it in my book, I also have the books of Michael Baldwin.
Rare and desirable ersatz helmet.

Congratulations,

Greetings, Coert :bravo:

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by 911car » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 pm

An interesting and rare variant, Jonas. Congratulations.
Do we know in what year(s) these helmets were produced?

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by Westfront » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:20 am

Very nice and very rare helmet congratulations :bravo:

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Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by argonne » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:35 pm

One Ersatz-helmets variation more! =D>

There were so much, it is impossible to classify them perfectly :o Lack of leather made the Germans very creative!

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by poniatowski » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:55 pm

Yup! That's a nice one! Thanks for sharing. :)

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I really do need to know more about this....

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:07 pm

Well this helmet is one that wil be helpful in the future should another collector find a similar helmet now they can compaire and be sure of it that it is an original one

Thanks guys for the nice comments

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by ww1czechlegion » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:24 am

A very rare and great looking helmet. Congratulations Jonas!

As a side note I found one of these in rough condition a few years back, but unfortunately I sold it.

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:26 pm

There is very little known on this type of helmet fortunatley it is documented in the books ,thats the best part of it

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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by KAGGR#1 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:26 pm

What is that reference book that you show ?
Done in French ?
I don't think that I have seen it ?
current or older book ?
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Re: Re: Ersatz helmet made from whire mesh

Post by kaiser » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:40 am

The book that is shown is that of the late mr baldwin there are 5 books that he had publisched
They are in my opinion good refrence books and very good for details,a must have😉

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