The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

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Post by Larmo » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:06 pm

Here's Opa. This is the one our friend found for us in Frankfurt, from a man who cleaned out apartments for a living.

Guys, I took a bunch of photos of him thinking that since he is an early example some details of his make up might be interesting. The second photo from last shows what appears to be a Hessen pattern screwnut placed next to what I call the standard stirrup nut typically seen on early pattern pickelhauben. I do not know if this is so, but none of our other early man helmets use these attachments, and these are the only style found on this particular helmet. My photo skills are still in the developmental stage regarding the image of the visor trim, the makers name is Jaeger.

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Post by Larmo » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:58 pm

These are some of the images of the IR115 helmet which we purchased this summer which we posted here previously. The additional images are some of the after photos showing the addition of the (new) base rivets and the gentle repair of the chinstrap. As of this time I have not given it a cleaning beyond a wipe down with a clean cotton shop rag.

Many thanks to Mark D and Cameron for providing me with the silver base rivets, the other bits are still in the gotta-find stage.

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Post by Maple Creek » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:01 am

Hi Larry,

It's looking good. Almost there!

The chinstrap is interesting, unusual.

Are you going to clean and polish it or leave it be?

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Post by Larmo » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:42 am

Hi Mark

Probably, but only a very light one. As others have suggested the "ghost wappen" would be a good thing to preserve.

As to the chinstrap, it is interesting, but IMO likely not original to the helmet as the fittings are of gilded brass. It was the one on the helmet at the time of our purchase however.

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Post by Maple Creek » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:09 pm

Right... I didn't notice that.

I've got half the chinstrap hardware you need, but that's like having half a canoe; it's not going to get you very far unless you've got the other half.

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Larmo wrote:Hi Mark

Probably, but only a very light one. As others have suggested the "ghost wappen" would be a good thing to preserve.

As to the chinstrap, it is interesting, but IMO likely not original to the helmet as the fittings are of gilded brass. It was the one on the helmet at the time of our purchase however.

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117 ?

Post by stephane_avesnes » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:57 pm

Some 117 ?
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and a landwehr with its cover again LJR118

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2 * 115 °

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the "grey" one is a 1895 silver fitting pattern, reissued to an artillerie unit, they just changed the spike for a ball and they "painted" grey the silver fittings.... that comes from an attic in Burgundy, funny isn't it ? :D

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Post by 911car » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:34 pm

Outstanding helmets Stephane! My LJR118 helmet has exactly the same markings as yours.

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Post by militaria-online » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:02 am

Hessen Leibgarde Inf. Rgt. 115
mod. 5.12.1871

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Hessen Leibgarde Inf. Rgt.115
mod. 1897 until november 1897

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Hessen Leibgarde Inf. rgt.115 reserve
mod. after november 1897

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Great Sergio!!
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Re: The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

Post by pppara » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:50 pm

Hello,
i'm very kind of hessian helmets...my little contribution...
DR 23 or 24
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question: How recognize good other rank hessian cocarde ????
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Re: The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

Post by JR92 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:57 am

Hello Larmo,

Fine ! =D>

I think your helmet's marking is "RBA18"
Right ?
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Post by weirdpyramid » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:45 pm

pppara wrote:question: How recognize good other rank hessian cocarde ????
Your helmet and cocarde is for a officer, any picture of the inside liner? Was this the one on Ebay a couple weeks ago? if so, you lucky dog! :D

this is a good typical Hessen EM cocarde, one of mine...
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Post by pppara » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:08 pm

Hello,
Yes, the helmet was on ebay mid of december...
I know it's an officer helmet, my question was about EM hessian helmets. How recognize good or fake EM hessian cocardes?
Thanks for your interest....
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Re: The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

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Re: The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

Post by 911car » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Very nice;

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Post by pickelhauben » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:07 am

To bad most of the pics are gone on this thread.

I do love that Hess Felt !!!!!

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Re: The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

Post by coert65 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:49 am

Hey guy's,

I have a question about an M15 Hessian which is for sale here on the forum.
I would like to buy it, but the pranging question is, it has a normal M15 spike, and not the fluted one I see on other Hessian M15's I found.
Is it correct for a late M15 Hessian infantry to have the regular spike? :-k It was re-issued so it may be correct but have to know for sure.
Too bad almost every picture in this thread is gone..

Thanks in advance for any comments on it in advance!

Coert. :thumb up:

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Post by 911car » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:12 am

Yes Coert, on period pictures you frequently see M15 Hessian helmets with regular Prussian spikes, even sometimes on round (not cruciform) bases. Therefore it is legit. On the helmet for sale on the forum there is a perfect color match between the spike and the other metal fittings.
This being said, for me the attraction of the Hessian helmet is the emblem and fluted spike, therefore I would prefer to wait for a 100% Hessian configuration. But this is only my opinion and, once again, the one for sale here by Timp be is very nice and genuine.

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Post by argonne » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 am

Bruno said it all :wink:

This helmet is one of the best example of the BJA´s work during the war, because of lack of material. It is beautifully marked BJA XVIII and that is correct for Hesse-Darmstadt.
It has been assembled and reconditioned with parts from different other helmets to go back to the front line on the head of a new recruit (letter "f" = feldbrauchbar).I think that the round stamp is dated 1916 and not 1918.
We can easily see the traces of the old seam behind the M91 side posts and how the initial rear trim was fixed on the shell, a little bit higher.

The old holes of the first emblem (maybe an eagle) have been refilled as it should be, not a new work.

In conclusion, that is an authentic and very honest war time helmet that has seen the fire. Not a beauty that is respecting the before-war regulations, but it smells like the real history!

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Post by coert65 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:01 am

Thanks Bruno and Philippe!

I saw everything you meantioned too, the finish is perfect on all fittings to this helmet, they match.
Meaning it seems they all are from the same time. Also saw the double holes, but to me it seemed perfectly good, and correct.
Thank you for getting my doubts out of the way, Timp be also sent me a review on this helmet that said exactly the same as you both did.
This M15 will get me back to collecting haubes again after some serious mishaps in life. :)

Thanks for your comments on this helmet guy's! :thumb up:

Greetings, Coert. :)

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Post by argonne » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:00 am

I forgot to say that Michel (Timp be) is an honest guy :thumb up: Youn can trust him!

I bought a haube recently from him on a french forum and all was perfect \:D/

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Re: The Hessen Family of Helmets and Their Characteristics

Post by coert65 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:39 am

Thank you Philippe!

I just sent Michel the money asked for this nice helmet. And sent him some PM's which I hope he will get.
They seem to be lingering in my outbox. But it will be okay.
I was watching this helmet for a while now, just couldn't resist it.
Yours, and Bruno's input made me buy this nice M15, thank you for that input.
I am back on track now! :)

Have a nice evening! Greetings from the Netherlands, Coert :thumb up:

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