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Lets see your Train helmets!

Post by Tony without Kaiser » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:09 pm

I know James and Bruno have a few, who else? Post them here! :hello1:

First up, a Model 1860 Preußen Jäger or Train Mannschaften (Other Ranks) issued Tschako. More pics here

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Next, a rare Model 1867/1873 Sachsen (Saxon) Mannschaften (Other Ranks) Train Tschako. This example is marked to both Kgl. Sächs. 1. Train-Bataillon Nr.12 (Dresden/Bischofswerda) XII Armee Korps and Kgl. Sächs. 2. Train-Bataillon Nr.19 (Leipzig) XIX Armee Korps. More pics here

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Still on the Tschakos, another rare one, a Model 1871 Württemberg Train Bataillon Mannschaften (Other Ranks) issued Tschako. This example is marked to Königs Train-Bataillon Nr.13 (Ludwigsburg) XIII Armee Korps. The Württembergisches Train-Bataillon was established in 1871 and wore the Preußen M1860 pattern Tschako until the Bataillon adopted the Pickelhaube in 1903. More pics here

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Next, post post 1903 Haubes. This is a Model 1895 (adopted in 1903) by the same Württemberg Train Abteilung 13 Reserve Mannschaften (Other Ranks) Pickelhaube for Württemberg. Train - Abt. Nr. 13, Ludwigsburg XIII. Armee-Korps. Although the features of this Pickelhaube are as per a M1895, it is technically a M1903. Prior to 1903, Württemberg Train wore a black leather Tschako as above. More pics here

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And last, (for me) is a Model 1895 Baden Mannschaften (Other Ranks) Pickelhaube for Badische Train - Abt. Nr. 14., Durlach XIV. Armee-Korps. The Baden Train wore a Tschako from 1871 to 1903.

And I would KILL FOR ONE!! :cussing: Been looking for one for years and years. More pics here

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Post by joerookery » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:06 pm

Great thread!

I only have one train helmet -- I have had two others but only this remains. This is a Guard Fähnrich- completely officer with the exception of the pearl ring. The spike itself is 13 cm high! Came from the collection of the late Tony Colson.

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Post by b.loree » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:35 am

Very cool Tony and Joe. I had a Prussian OR's helmet with convex scales but I sold it a couple of years ago on Ebay. It is truly amazing with those shakos of yours Tony that they have survived all these years! Brian
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Post by Lost Skeleton » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:21 pm

My humble, and somewhat tardy, contribution to the subject:

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Post by Jerry Rehr » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:12 pm

L.S. T.B. 8 Is this a " Train" unit? I have the same marks in a 1901 dated helmet in the same condition as yours with T.B. 8 5E. I thought this was a suppy train or something such and not Train as in Railroad. Love your helmet! :D :D Jerry

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Post by b.loree » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:09 pm

Great markings Chas...can you post them on our helmet markings thread please. Jerry, the same for you, if you can add your helmets markings to the thread, I would very much appreciate it! Tonys' site and the forum are a gold mine for future collectors! Brian
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:27 am

Jerry Rehr wrote:L.S. T.B. 8 Is this a " Train" unit? I have the same marks in a 1901 dated helmet in the same condition as yours with T.B. 8 5E. I thought this was a suppy train or something such and not Train as in Railroad. Love your helmet! :D :D Jerry
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Der Train was horse-drawn Supply and Service troops. The English word "Train" in German was the die Eisenbahn which were Railway Troops.

The Train units started out as battalions, so you see the earlier ones marked TB etc, and then they became Abteilung (Detachments) so these later ones are found with the marking TA etc.
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Post by Jerry Rehr » Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:18 pm

GOT CHA!! Thanks :D :D Jerry

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Post by Lost Skeleton » Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:45 pm

b.loree wrote:Great markings Chas...can you post them on our helmet markings thread please.
Hi Brian:

The picture has been posted in the markings thread.

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Post by b.loree » Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:52 pm

Great, thanks Chas! Brian
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Post by aterrasse » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:05 pm

Dear All,

Very nice helmets posted here.

I was wondering if anyone knew anything about a certain Train Abtl no.13 Ludwigsburg? A Wurttemberg regiment I believe.
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:03 pm

aterrasse wrote:I was wondering if anyone knew anything about a certain Train Abtl no.13 Ludwigsburg? A Wurttemberg regiment I believe.
Alex, read the text for my Württermberg helmet near the top...
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Re: Lets see your Train helmets!

Post by SkipperJohn » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:18 pm

I thought that I would resurrect this thread and add to it. This is a Prussian Train Officer's helmet that could have been used by an officer in Train Battalion 1 thru 9, 11, 15 thru 17, and 20 thru 21.

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There is some damage to the leather shell, but all-in-all it's not in bad shape.

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The Wappen is held on with bent pins, which I always believed was an indication of a later production helmet. This helmet is also extremely large. There are no size markings but I would guess this helmet to be a size 62. It is noticeably larger than any other leather Pickelhaube I own.

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I have had this helmet so long that I can't remember where I got it. It remains a proud addition to my collection.

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Post by b.loree » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:00 pm

Nice helmet John. Thanks for posting and renewing this thread.
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Re: Lets see your Train helmets!

Post by SkipperJohn » Mon May 28, 2018 2:58 pm

Here is the Baden Train Battalion Nr 14 Tschako that was used until 1903:

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This is a Model 1895, updated with Reichs Kokarde in 1897.

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Post by kaiser » Mon May 28, 2018 3:18 pm

That is a nice bade tshako never seen one only pruisian and sachsen ones are more common to find

Nice one👌

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Mon May 28, 2018 7:46 pm

So you bought it.

Good for you!

I have around 15 or so Tschako, and I collect to Baden, but a Baden Train Tschako has alluded me. VERY nice to see one. Congratulations John.
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Re: Lets see your Train helmets!

Post by SkipperJohn » Mon May 28, 2018 7:53 pm

Tony without Kaiser wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 7:46 pm
So you bought it.

Good for you!

I have around 15 or so Tschako, and I collect to Baden, but a Baden Train Tschako has alluded me. VERY nice to see one. Congratulations John.
Yes, I got it. Norbert made me a good deal and I just couldn't refuse.
Thanks for your help. You can read more about it here:

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Post by aicusv » Mon May 28, 2018 11:40 pm

Ok - you asked for it. Non of my train helmets are that great, but I like them. The shako is marked for TB 16 and dated 1900, the two spikes are both TB8 and I've posted plenty about them before, The Wappen is for TB13.
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Post by aicusv » Mon May 28, 2018 11:42 pm

ok the site really doesn't like me. Here is a photo of the stamps in the Shako (at some point the liner was replaced). I've owned this piece for over 50 years and this is the way I got it.
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What does the LB1, LG, & 2 mean? The LB1 I thought could mean Leib Battalion first company, but that doesn't make sense for a single battalion unit.
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Tue May 29, 2018 2:22 pm

Perhaps reissued to Luftschiffer-Bataillon Nr.1.
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Post by aicusv » Tue May 29, 2018 6:26 pm

Tony without Kaiser wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 2:22 pm
Perhaps reissued to Luftschiffer-Bataillon Nr.1.
Thanks I never thought of them, but wouldn't they have silver fitting and Guard star Wappen. From what I can tell (from the ghost) it has always had an Eagle on it, there are no extra holes (I don't believe the Wappen on it is the original one to the shako). I think the chin strap post are original to the shako and they are brass. I would be trilled if that is who wore this.
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Wed May 30, 2018 8:58 am

Yes, the standard troops would be silver etc. of course. Still a possibility for support troops. For example, in a Husaren Regt. the supply, cooks, medics etc. didn't wear Pelzmützen.
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Post by aicusv » Wed May 30, 2018 6:16 pm

Tony without Kaiser wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 8:58 am
Yes, the standard troops would be silver etc. of course. Still a possibility for support troops. For example, in a Husaren Regt. the supply, cooks, medics etc. didn't wear Pelzmützen.
Now this is a topic that is at least 3 beers long. I'm aware that medical were Militärebeamte and wore the appropriate head gear. I assume that supply would be uniformed as such and would be part of the "Train Battalion". What about cooks? I assume that none of these troops were actually members of "the Regiment" but attached to it. Were they members of the Train? I know back in the days of Alt Fritz there was a Commissary Corps that included bakers and cooks, what was there during the Kaiserzeit?

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Post by Glennj » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:40 pm

Oh at least three beers!

Anyway for starters: Medical officers were just that: since 1873, commissioned officers but prior to that military officials.

The military cooks were regimental personnel assigned for that purpose from the unit‘s companies, squadrons and batteries under the supervision of a NCO - the Küchenunteroffizier.

Military bakers were NCOs and soldiers of the Train branch detached to military bakeries under the auspices of the local Proviantamt (military provisions office).

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