Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

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Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:38 am

Hello everybody,

what do you think of the helmet?

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Sergei1877 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:11 am

Hi Andrey I really like . Is it from Kassel?

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:16 am

yes Sergei

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Stirnpanzer » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:32 am

Looks Nice =D>

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:39 am

is the helmet OK?

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Arran » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:24 pm

Very nice original helmet with a great patina!
Looking for German-made pickelhauben for foreign markets!

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Truce1914 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:50 pm

I like it very much, a good sleepy untouched unaltered example. The price however I think is crazy. To me it is more than twice its true value.

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Post by b.loree » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:55 pm

Excellent markings, congratulations!
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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by 911car » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:57 pm

Arran wrote:
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Very nice original helmet with a great patina!
That brings the unbearable dilemna: clean it or not?

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Amybellars » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:42 pm

I would just dust it and not cleaned it till sunglasses have to come into action.

Very nice helmet, congratulations.

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:01 am

I will not clean the helmet,

what I like here, the same stamp on the helmet and the eagle

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:56 pm

in my opinion the manufacturer is A. Klucke?

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by gardehusar » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:20 pm

Strange really the helmet is on ebay
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Pickelhaube-Gar ... SwabBd4poc

hmmh if you like the stamps GDK Weitze sold one ...
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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by 911car » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 pm

It has been there for a while. And likely to stay there at this price...

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by gardehusar » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:08 pm

Last word was 4500....Helm from Weitze in Bavaria militaria far.

But the qustion is user brusik1 bougth it or not ?
Or on ebay is a fake ....

But:
No idea what these gray washers with copper do. Looks like riveted ...
Therefore, I do not always think eagle and base plate and helmet together ...
Base plate of the eagle Screw thread in the middle newly soldered!
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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by gardehusar » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:43 pm

No the helmet is not ok!!
Eagle and baseplate and helmet not always together ... Reason:

Base plate of the eagle Screw thread in the middle newly soldered!

No idea what these gray washers with copper do on the base plate of the eagle. Looks like riveted ...

Either the eagle was bolted to the body with the screws which are now verniete which is usually the case with property pieces or with wing nut in the middle with chamber pieces.

Here we have closed hump bolts and newly soldered thread for thumbscrew!

good example no Bugelschrauben only wing nut in the middle

https: //www.philipp-militaria....-Preussen-1271756657.html

Also, as it looks like if something is restored, the red shade is still there ...
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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:52 am

911car wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 pm
It has been there for a while. And likely to stay there at this price...
the price can always be changed
I have time

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by SkipperJohn » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:26 am

I think the helmet looks great, but I have a somewhat unrelated question:
When was the top eagle authorized for wear on these helmets?
I believe that the lion on top of Saxon Garde Regiments was authorized in 1876, but when was the Prussian Garde authorized to wear the eagle?

John :?

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Sergei1877 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:34 am

SkipperJohn wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:26 am
I think the helmet looks great, but I have a somewhat unrelated question:
When was the top eagle authorized for wear on these helmets?
I believe that the lion on top of Saxon Garde Regiments was authorized in 1876, but when was the Prussian Garde authorized to wear the eagle?

John :?
much earlier back in the 1840s, as in the Russian army under Nicholas 1

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by 911car » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:15 am

Sergei1877 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:34 am
SkipperJohn wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:26 am
I think the helmet looks great, but I have a somewhat unrelated question:
When was the top eagle authorized for wear on these helmets?
I believe that the lion on top of Saxon Garde Regiments was authorized in 1876, but when was the Prussian Garde authorized to wear the eagle?

John :?
much earlier back in the 1840s, as in the Russian army under Nicholas 1
Yes indeed, in 1843, but the lion was only adopted in 1907.

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by brusik1 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:55 pm

I try to put a few more photos and it doesn't work "Error parsing server response."

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Post by coert65 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:28 pm

You are not the only one. I didn't try it, but in the Help section here there are other members having the same problem.

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

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Post by brusik1 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:20 pm

the same manufacturer A.Klucke

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:47 pm

gardehusar wrote:
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No idea what these gray washers with copper do. Looks like riveted ..//
My experience has been that grey washers underneath the four domed 'faux' screw posts typical on originals. They are not actual screw posts, so they are riveted on to look like screw posts.

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Truce1914 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:00 pm

This is my experience also. I have one eagle with this feature, I have owned others and and examined others with the same. I have never seen a helmet where the screw set on an eagle base actually goes through the four holes on the helmet top for the spike set. Personally I imagine it may have been a feature on earlier helmets, then the faux bolts added to later helmets to keep the same appearance. I have also wondered if an eagle set may have been on a helmet where it actually was bolted to a helmet, when the eagle was re-called and put in store as spare, maybe the blanks were added and the simpler main center bolt added as a kind "one size fits all" remedy.

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Post by 911car » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:11 pm

Truce1914 wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:00 pm
This is my experience also. I have one eagle with this feature, I have owned others and and examined others with the same. I have never seen a helmet where the screw set on an eagle base actually goes through the four holes on the helmet top for the spike set. Personally I imagine it may have been a feature on earlier helmets, then the faux bolts added to later helmets to keep the same appearance. I have also wondered if an eagle set may have been on a helmet where it actually was bolted to a helmet, when the eagle was re-called and put in store as spare, maybe the blanks were added and the simpler main center bolt added as a kind "one size fits all" remedy.
You are correct. Initially all eagles were affixed with the four screws. Later on they switched to the large central screw. Existing eagles were revamped and to hide the four holes in eagle bases they used these faux bolt heads. Eventually, eagle bases were built without the four holes and only the big central screw.

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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:29 pm

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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by gardehusar » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:22 am

The seller of the helmet is a really expert [-X good hobbyist, if you look at the very imaginative masks he sells. Who buys scrap like that?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-WK-Maske-der- ... Sw9-ld7Q6a


some here: https://www.ebay.de/itm/ww1-German-Tren ... SwH9Jd97wD

Please sho me an original picture WW1 that shows thinks like that... in the most other forum of militaria everybody nows is nonsens...
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Re: Garde Kürassier Regiment Helmet

Post by Truce1914 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:10 am

Some very imaginative pieces have been created for the collecting market in recent years.I have seen similar "armour"and chain mail for adding to Pickelhaube's also. Whoever is making those clubs has flooded the market with them. I find them easy to spot from original examples from the shape of the handle which is too bulbous in places, and always bleached white from its fake aging process, probably salt water.

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