Why Do I Collect this Stuff ?

b.loree

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So, as your host on this forum dear members, I am asking the question...why do you collect this stuff? The bulk of the population in any country on earth could care less. Your family and spouse (if you have one) obviously accepts your "addiction" (do they have a choice?) but has no understanding as to why you spend sooo.. much money on this old, dirty, musty, rusty, shit! When you reach a certain age, they encourage you to sell it and you know obviously, that you will have to but.....it is not easy! Consequently, I think that it is healthy for us to think about it here, especially for new collectors. Post your thoughts here friends.....
 
I think collecting, no matter what the item, relates back to something that catches your attention and interest and manifests itself on you. I believe it then becomes a challenge to find similar items. I know people who collect cars, guns, comic books, classic record albums, pocket knives, sewing thimbles, etc. For me, it was a photo of an m15 em Pickelhaube in the Sunday newspaper. A museum always posted a photo of an item in their inventory once a week, and that helmet caught my attention. I cut the picture out, and looked at it frequently. I was eight or ten at the time, and I pestered my parents into taking me to the museum to see it in person. Instead of collecting helmets, I probably would have been better off collecting money, but it wouldn’t have been nearly as fun.
 
I have always been interested in military history, and as a teenager made models of tanks airplanes etc. , then a neighbour said, if you are interested in that stuff, go visit that guy next door, he has the same interest, it turned out that the person was one of the leading Second World War collectors in the country, and seeing the collection, able to touch and smell the actual stuff was fascinating, so got the addiction instantaneous… I started collecting all headgear, civilian and military, but Second World War third reich always felt contaminated, so sold of that and focused on First World War,
The colourful uniforms of 1914 as apposed to the fieldgrey of later years make them attractive, so since then now 40 years later still collecting,
First as teenager everything affordable, but that leads to heaps of stuff,
My wife only tolerates some showcases with selected helmets and related items, so upgraded over the years, having now about 200 pieces of ww1 headgear al countries, and of course, some weapons medals and equipments, I now try to find one beautiful items each year, last year it was a Prussian Cuirassier officer helmet for example.
 
Well, I was, like Michiel, at a younger age already interested in history, the middle ages, old castles, the egyptians. When I got older, say about the age of 15, I started on WW2 history. As I live near the coast, a city named Hellevoetsluis, there were many remains of the Atlanticwall, which I and a good friend of mine, now deceased unfortunately, started exploring, and in many cased opening out, after a lot of digging off-course. In the mean while, also picking up militaria at fleamarkets, mostly US and english, but also german items. While searching on the coast, the dunes to be precise, I stumbled on a strange circular steel disc. The both of us started digging, and lo and behold, there was a Flak 37mm gun, lying upside down, beneathe the dune it was formerly placed upon, by the germans. As we were both on our mopeds (Kreidler) we could never take it home. More than 35 years later, it was discovered again, by I guy who I met on our national Motorcycle forum, he was very surprised, but also said that he noticed some guy's found it before. It is now at a museum, where it was restored to its former glory. And on display.
After this whole episode, collecting got on a low level. Studying, work and a relationship prevented it. Started living in our own house and such things.
And then, my grandmother passed away, her brother, as we already knew, was a member of the Dutch fascist party, NSB. My grandmother however, was married to a Kriegsmarine soldier, Walter. After the war, Walter went back to germany, and sort of disappeared from view.
Grandmother, remarried to Gerrit, a former soldier in the Dutch army. Gerrit accepted my mother as his child, and also gave her a sister, Nellie.
My mother did not have a very nice childhood, was not allowed to play with the other kids in the village, being the child of a German soldier. In fact, a youth which also had its reflections on me and my sister... She was severely damaged, mentally, because of the opinions, fals, of the villagers.
But those were the day's back then...
But now more on the collecting bit. When my grandmother passed away, we started emptying her hous, and found many item, related to ww2, but also from ww1,regarding Walters father, a WW1 veteran, I have a picture of him, visiting his son, with his Iron cross ribbon on his coat, and holding a small baby in his hands, my mother. Many more pictures too, also from my grandmothers brother, is his WA uniform, and many more.
When my parent wanted to get married, this wasn't possible, because, she had 2 fathers, after the war, Gerrit also acknowledged my mother as his child, just like Walter had. Walter got in touch again, and agreed to let his acknowledgement pass, because he wanted his daughter to get married to my father. Sorry about the long post, but this is were my interest, and in fact my collecting started to transform from WW2, into WW1.
I started out finding out which regiment Walter, the father of the Walter the Kriegsmarine soldier, was in, he enlisted in 1914, Mobilmachung, August 2nd, if I'm not mistaken.
And found out that he was in RIR213. Then, figuring out where that regiment was,during WW1, I started doing more and more visits to Ypres, where he was active, in fact not very far from a Bavarian regiment, where Adolf H was part of.
I still visit Ypres, but not so frequent as before, but this whole story did also advance my more and more collecting of military artefacts from WW1, German, but also English and French, medals, helmets, period book, reference books and such.
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Sorry for the very long post my friends, but that's the story.

Regards, Coert.
 
Being English we had 24 hour war films and war related sitcoms. Every old person was a WW1 or WW2 vet. I swapped felt tip pens when I was 6 and got the collecting bug, eventually I got a real WW2 German helmet ( I still have ) my ultimate goal. Now I have tons of stuff Helmets swords medals you name it. Its all history each object whether its a Napoleonic Heavy cavalry sword that probably chopped some Frenchys up A nicely worn Pickle that saw time in the trenches. A many times camoed German M35 helmet thats gone from Poland to Russia and back to France and is heavily sweat stained. A crimea war medal for the battle of Alma, each has its own been there feel touch and smell. You can never stop being a collector no matter how hard you try. Rob
 
The brutal answer and I'm not joking or even making light of it, is that we are addicts to some extent. As I wrote in my column for Military Trader about the “Stress of Collecting,” I made clear the joy we receive when we find a new item.

There has been research on dopamine and collecting of watches, baseball cards, toys, etc. No one has done the study of militaria collectors likely because there aren’t any psychiatrists or sociologists who have witnessed the collecting of militaria. See the links below.

We use “our love of history” as an excuse. I know I certainly have, but the truth is I have an office/collectible room full I stuff that I barely look at. I have seen items online and then spent hours, even days, figuring out whether I could afford it. I’ve bid on auctions, often to the point that I’m relieved when I’m outbid because I know I went too high. When the auction ends, I’m still sad I didn’t win it.

The timing of this discussion is hitting me hard, as we faced a few unexpected financial setbacks, and despite having a very good year on the work front, it is something I wasn’t prepared for and need to address. I understand I can’t go on a splurge. But it also made me think about selling a few items, and before I knew it I easily came up with nearly $10,000 in stuff that I know I can absolutely “live without.” I won’t miss much of it at all if I sell it, and some pieces I wouldn’t have noticed if they disappeared yesterday.

You’re asking this question on a military collectible group, but you could have just as easily posted it on another hobby forum. Instead of the “love of history,” there would be another excuse, but to be blunt, that is all it is, an excuse.

The problem is that forums, shows, etc., aren’t even “support groups” for getting help. It enables this behavior, for better or worse. I will add that I have never put my wife and me in a position where we had to worry about paying the bills or where it would endanger our financial security. I’ve never had to sell items to pay the taxes, repair the car, etc. But I’m selling some items now because keeping them gives me less dopamine than selling them would.

Here are the links to some studies:

Dopamine and watch collecting
https://www.screwdowncrown.com/p/dopamine-and-watch-collecting

Is It Just a Hobby? When Sports Card Collecting Starts to Mirror Addictive Behavior
https://www.hygea.health/blog/sports-card-collecting-addictive-behavior/

What Makes Coin Collecting So Addictive? The Real Reasons
https://onemorecoin.com/blogs/news/...ujpeKpjsxcp9h-nAPIwNsJxFev0_bJKPLZvieue0brhBQ

The Psychology of Collecting: Why We Love Hobby Toys
https://medium.com/@reed.samuel/the-psychology-of-collecting-why-we-love-hobby-toys-5523d61a6fa3
 
I agree, it is in fact an addiction, collecting, then again, I won't let it get the better of me, so I couldn't pay my bills though.
I have, like so many others, gone through quite heavy times in the '80's, when work was difficult to get, I just took whatever job I could get, even way below my level of education. Just to be able to pay my bills, and not be a part of our social security program.
Got along very well after that, and have worked for the same company for over 30 years now, good payed too.
I have found a program, which was from the BBC, Finding the fallen, in episode 1, which shows the remains of soldiers from RIR213, being found..
These guy's where most likely my greatgrandfathers friends, who knows..
 
I am a younger collector in my early 30s. I move a lot, so my collection stays smaller and focused. I collect WW1 because it is the big transition from a different way of fighting wars. I doubt I'd care about this stuff if I wasn't in the military. I only stick to wartime knives and wartime helmets. I don't think I'll ever let it take more than 2 cabinets.

The hunt is the fun part. Restraint is why it doesn't get old.

Gabe
 
I am a 3rd generation collector. Everyone in my family likes history and especially Military History. I would go to military shows with my Dad, Uncles, and my Grandfather since I was little. My Grandfather started them in Imperial German collecting when they were young, and I followed in their footsteps.

As far as collecting, I was into baseball cards as a kid, and then my Grandfather and Dad would usually get me toy soldiers for Christmas. Elastolin, Preisser, solido tanks, at the end King & Country miniatures. My family collects German cavalry, so once I graduated university, I began collecting Imperial German Dragoons.

Now Im in my early 40s, married with a fabulous and very understanding wife. She has an inquisitive mind and likes history too. She also enjoys trips to Europe when I go to auctions, so I am not really twisting her arm...
 
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Thank you for posting this topic b.loree. It’s very interesting to read how other members found themselves a part of this world. For me, I don’t think there was any particular event the precipitated myself getting into collecting but more of a gradual accumulation of things that infiltrated my subconscious from a young age. Like many of us I remember as a child seeing grainy black and white footage of soldiers jumping out of trenches looking somewhat comedic due to the film running too fast.

At school I recall learning about WW1 in history class and distinctly remember one lesson where a teacher told us a story about a soldier who was about to shoot an enemy some distance off who seemed to be stumbling round looking for something. Suddenly, he noted that other soldier was preparing to go to the toilet which gave him the realisation that the solider was not an inhuman beast as had been portrayed in propaganda but was instead a real human just like himself. Needless to say her didn’t shoot, but this instilled in me the human side of war and is something that has stuck with me through my collecting. I very much like and collect items that are named, hand written, or have something personal about them.

This was closely followed in high school by a very passionate history teacher Dr Ian Grant who wrote a book about Albert Jacka VC and regaled us with stories of Jacka storming the German trenches and singlehandedly capturing them. He was so passionate in his re-telling that he would spit while talking and needless to say if you were in the front row you were well and truly in the firing line so to speak. These types of events and then visits to museums such as our Australian War memorial in Canberra Australia all played their part.

But it wasn’t until years later in the early 2000’s while talking to a work colleague who collected, that I even realised you could buy Militaria. I had always assumed it was all in museums. Not long after he helped me to purchase my first German M16 helmet. This was a very exciting event, however my enthusiasm was dampened somewhat not long after when I purchased my first fake which was a TR dagger. This followed by purchasing a house and other expenses which led me to fall out of collecting just as quickly as I had begun. Then in 2016 after returning to work after many months away following major surgery another work colleague was also collecting and this sparked my interest again, but this time more intensely. Literature and information was now much more readily available on the internet and in reference works and through the collecting community.

Today, I have now built up a collection that I’m very pleased with. I’ve added many items that have been bucket list pieces, I’ve sold items and had the pleasure of seeing other collectors also get great joy from them. I’ve learned a lot and made some great friends from all over the world. One of the greatest joys of this hobby is the continual learning. It really is a hobby with infinite possibilities that can last a life time if one chooses. And there are still many more items that I would love to add to my collection but that remain tantalisingly out of reach, but oddly I really enjoy that. I guess in a way we are all searching for that one item or that new piece information that continues to stimulate our curiosity.

Digger.
 
Those of us who grew up in the 1960's found we could go around and talk to people who had actually been in the first world war. It was mesmerizing and unreal. Mr. Reeves who was sent back to get food and water and returned to his trench to find that it had been entirely obliterated in an artillery bombardment and all of his comrades had vanished in an instant. Mr. Russell who was about to go over the top against an entrenched German unit when a captain asked him if he spoke French. When he said yes (that's a prep school education for you) he was immediately sent to rear as a translator only find out soon after he probably would not have survived otherwise. I was fascinated with model soldiers, created a diorama of the battle of the Marne on a huge board in my room with "zinnfiguren" flats model railway trees, paper model houses, even scale taxis my parents introduced me to after Life Magazine produced an extensive series on World War I full of color paintings of all the battles. It seemed like everyone was fascinated with the subject. So it wasn't so strange back then. When I was given an M15 for Christmas I just never got over the fact that I was holding an actual piece of all that for the first time and I was transformed. The helmet is the soldier. I can see the soldier in the helmet. The soldier comes to life.
 
For me, I always loved the military. Coming from a long line of veterans I was always fascinated with their stories and histories, my father especially. He was an 11M during desert storm and operated Bradley fighting vehicles with the devils ranger in the big red one. Funny enough he also served alongside Timothy McVeigh during his time in which was always an interesting side note of his service. (His time inspired me to join the service) But besides the history of his service I had a few of his personal items, medals, letters, dog tags, all of which I still have. That was my introduction to the militaria hobby, as time went on I built a small collection random items that had no correlation, just stuff essentially. That was until one day when I received a text from my grandmother saying she found something, now what was that thing she found? Well as it turned out it was a German iron cross, my great great grandfathers to be exact! She later sent me that cross and I still have it today, later on she found a photo of him so I could pair the two up which I did recently, having them framed together! Here’s a photo of the framed set!

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Ever since I got that medal I’ve been so enamored with the family history and imperial Germany, I shifted gears from random items to purely imperial German, helmets, medals, field gear and flags the whole shebang! Over the years I amassed a large collection of random items from the time but there was still no focus, (That came with age as I got older). Overtime my interest came to just helmets, postcards and medals with the occasional sprinkle of flags or rare items Which is where I’m at today!

If I were to sum it up though, I’d say it Was the family history that got me into it, the interest with the military and overall just the fascination of the past. I have deep love and appreciation for history and I love showing that via my collection!

Thank you for posting this topic, Brain, this was a fun thing to write about and see others stories!
 
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For me, I always loved the military. Coming from a long line of veterans I was always fascinated with their stories and histories, my father especially. He was an 11M during desert storm and operated Bradley fighting vehicles with the devils ranger in the big red one. Funny enough he also served alongside Timothy McVeigh during his time in which was always an interesting side note of his service. (His time inspired me to join the service) But besides the history of his service I had a few of his personal items, medals, letters, dog tags, all of which I still have. That was my introduction to the militaria hobby, as time went on I built a small collection random items that had no correlation, just stuff essentially. That was until one day when I received a text from my grandmother saying she found something, now what was that thing she found? Well as it turned out it was a German iron cross, my great great grandfathers to be exact! She later sent me that cross and I still have it today, later on she found a photo of him so I could pair the two up which I did recently, having them framed together! Here’s a photo of the framed set!

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Every since I got that medal I’ve been so enamored with the family history and imperial Germany, I shifted gears from random items to purely imperial German, helmets, medals, field gear and flags the whole shebang! Over the years I amassed a large collection of random items from the time but there was still no focus, (That came with age as I got older). Overtime my interest came to just helmets, postcards and medals with the occasional sprinkle of flags or rare items Which is where I’m at today!

If I were to sum it up though, I’d say it Was the family history that got me into it, the interest with the military and overall just the fascination of the past. I have deep love and appreciation for history and I love showing that via my collection!

Thank you for posting this topic, Brain, this was a fun thing to write about and see others stories!
WOW!
 
This quote is generally attributed to Eckhart Tolle.

It aptly reflects his ideas on inner emptiness and the tendency to compensate through material accumulation, which he develops particularly in his works such as *The Power of Now*.
 
Ha ha! JPT has just thrown a grenade into the conversation! I love it!
"inner poverty" may explain why some people collect but I don't believe that this has much relevance here. In my case my father was a mid upper gunner in Lancasters and flew overseas with both the RAF and RCAF during WW2. My Scottish grandfather who served in the RHLI fought at the Dardanelles, Egypt and France. So, I do share a military family connection like some of the members above. Like many young boys I also got into model kits of WW2 airplanes and ships. In addition, I also have my fathers medals, Flying Officer dress uniform and all of his military service records from Ottawa.
However, this did not start me collecting militaria. I got into it for use in the classroom, I taught History at the High School level for 37 years and would bring in pieces from my collection to bring some "reality" into what I was teaching. My collection grew from there and the "collecting" got me into contact with other people of like mind. Tony Schnurr was a major influence and still is. I met James and others through this forum, started to go to shows in the US and so here we are.
While attending university I read E.H. Carrs: What is History ? This book was required reading and got me into realizing the value of History and the need to preserve Historical items. I do not see the value of History as some way of predicting the future. To me the true value is understanding the present day. A good knowledge of History can explain the world around you and prevent you from falling for the latest political/economic "flim flam/BS" that is being advertised. Our militaria pieces are part of a Historical reality and this is why they need to be collected and preserved. This is why I collect.
 
This quote is generally attributed to Eckhart Tolle.

It aptly reflects his ideas on inner emptiness and the tendency to compensate through material accumulation, which he develops particularly in his works such as *The Power of Now*.
He must be referring to dealers. Anyone who would subscribe to this as an explanation for a passion for collecting the past lacks imagination. For me, all my life, ancient and antique objects have been just like books. They have always talked to me in a visual, tactile and spiritual terminology in the same way they did for their original possessors.
 
He must be referring to dealers. Anyone who would subscribe to this as an explanation for a passion for collecting the past lacks imagination. For me, all my life, ancient and antique objects have been just like books. They have always talked to me in a visual, tactile and spiritual terminology in the same way they did for their original possessors.
No, retailers have a sales target to meet. They can't afford to indulge in sentimentality and collect items, and if they do, their business never lasts very long.
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Eck...sion-quest-ce-que-posséder/10162641487508692/
 
I think this is a relevant and interesting thread,
On one hand I think a lot of these objects are historically important and beautiful, but of cause that is subjective,
Both my wife and a lot of friends don’t understand why I like those headgear.
And yes it has elements of an addiction, I tend to check websites and fairs frantic for new dopamine kicks… but strict restraint saves me from impulsive spending…
What is beautiful?
First World War headgear appeals to some but not all
In a way our holiday house and its environment seems to be, intrinsically beautiful, because almost everyone seems to like the house and nearby nature, but still others don’t care at all and say they miss all kind of commodities
So keep your impulses under control, and love your hobbies
 

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