Baden M1915 EM Pickelhaube
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nice looking helmet and markings, Gus nailed it on Kokarden and most likely the chinstrap as well.
James
James
poniatowski
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Agreed. The 'gray' fuzzy leather inside of the strap is a give-away. Nice helmet otherwise!
Ron
Ron
One must remember, this is not a "messed with" helmet, these chinstraps and Kockarden were very likely added by Bannermann in the 1960s, as he bought a barn full of Liberty Loan helmets that did not have chin straps and Kockarden. The reproductions were very well done, and sold as reproduction, they are easily identified as copies when compared to originals, and are in a way, part of the history of the helmet.
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Gus
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Gus
Gus,
I think you meant to say Flayderman not Bannerman. By the sixties, Bannerman was pretty much done. Flayderman was the first one to make the dies for stamping out kokardes and chinstrap fittings. He bought his stash of helmets in Europe. His catalogs usually listed a few nice individual helmets, and the Prussian M95s were just carried in stock.
Steve
I think you meant to say Flayderman not Bannerman. By the sixties, Bannerman was pretty much done. Flayderman was the first one to make the dies for stamping out kokardes and chinstrap fittings. He bought his stash of helmets in Europe. His catalogs usually listed a few nice individual helmets, and the Prussian M95s were just carried in stock.
Steve
My first helmet was a Flayderman M1915 Prussian with repro chin strap and Kockarden, it cost $19.50 in 1968.
RON
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poniatowski said:
Ron, you're right, after a closer look it does look 'fuzzy'.
When asked if the cockades were original or repainted, the seller answered they were not repainted so he cleverly omitted to say if these were actually genuine or not. He also 'believes' the strap is OK because it is quite 'old'.
Nevertheless, and for the sake of learning, how did you guys determine the cockades were fake from these pictures alone? I just thought the paint seemed new but then again I've seen authentic mint cockades before...
Hey Ron,
It is really difficult to tell if a cckade is new or just in good condition from a photo. The reason I thought these are reproduction, it because the colour is quite bright, and the Kockarden are in better condition than the helmet, but they could be some originals that have been addd to the helmet (but I doubt it) the biggest reason to suspect reproduction Kockarden in a photo is if the chin strap is a reproduction (especially if it is a Flayderman repro) then it stands to reason that the Kockarden with be repros, as they will not stay with the helmet if the chinstrap is not there.
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gus
It is really difficult to tell if a cckade is new or just in good condition from a photo. The reason I thought these are reproduction, it because the colour is quite bright, and the Kockarden are in better condition than the helmet, but they could be some originals that have been addd to the helmet (but I doubt it) the biggest reason to suspect reproduction Kockarden in a photo is if the chin strap is a reproduction (especially if it is a Flayderman repro) then it stands to reason that the Kockarden with be repros, as they will not stay with the helmet if the chinstrap is not there.
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gus
poniatowski
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ottodog8 said:
Ahhhh those were the days. I seem to remember ads for them about $15 or $20 each...? Globe International in New York also carried some; a typical Kurassier helmet was about $50 or less in the early 1970's.
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edwin
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poniatowski said:ottodog8 said:
Ahhhh those were the days. I seem to remember ads for them about $15 or $20 each...? Globe International in New York also carried some; a typical Kurassier helmet was about $50 or less in the early 1970's.
Damn, I should have started with collecting haubes directly after my birth when this hobby was still inexpensive...
Regards,
Edwin
I went to Globe Militaria in the early seventies, must have been 1971 or 2. They were in Manhattan on West 29th Street pretty close to the river. 2nd floor of a warehouse, pretty sketchy. There were display cases filled with all sorts of WW2 German stuff, field gear etc. While I was there they received a delivery, which they opened on the spot. A couple of Waffen SS dot pattern panzer jackets, loaded with insignia. Even in my youthful naivete, I assumed they were fakes. But in the middle of the room was a round display case 5 or 6 feet tall with a dozen or so spiked helmets, just breathtaking. All high end, beautiful shape, plumes, officers helmets, etc.. Pretty heady stuff for a 15 year old. I could tell they were way above my price range (25 bucks) so I didn't bother to ask prices. That memory has always stayed with me.
Steve
Steve