Chin scale differences

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westr70

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Hi all,

I was looking at chin scales and observed that there two forms, one with a double distal end and one with a triple distal end, alternating with the double usually starting from the post. I did find one chin scale with only triple ends on a police helmet. http://www.derrittmeister.com/productpages/04584.htm. Would a continuous run of triple distal ends suggest a redo? or something particular to some police helmets, or private purchase?

I assume there is a term to describe the ends and would be curious as to what it is.

Thanks,

John
 
Eh? :scratch: Double distal end? Triple distal end? Do you mean the first scale under the Rosette on the side of the helmet? Everything prior to 1891 should be double except for a few exceptions, like early Bavarian Raupenhelme etc.

Generally, everything before 1891 (usually) has a double under the post, and when they adopted the M1891/94 chinscles, it turned into a triple. Is this what you mean?

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If the scales all have the 3 bumps (?) rather than 2, does that mean something? I'm not used to the terms, so I apologize for not being clear.

John
 
westr70 said:
If the scales all have the 3 bumps (?) rather than 2, does that mean something? I'm not used to the terms, so I apologize for not being clear. John
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No problem. Do you mean all of the scales like this Sachsen Reiter?

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Hey Westr70,
I think we have a new and much better term for the bumps on the chin scales, I understood what you were talking about, although I could not offer any opinion, as I do not collect the ones that are pretty, but double distal sounds much better than two bumps. Are you in the medical profession?
Best
gus
 
Semantics aside gentlemen, the main thing is that the question was asked. In my own experience, I have only seen the typical alternating two and three scalloped (a new descriptor) chinscale pieces on hauben. Love that Saxe raupen helme by the way T.....did I scope that beauty out when I was quaffing Fredsville schiraz at Festung von Schnurr??
 
b.loree said:
did I scope that beauty out when I was quaffing Fredsville schiraz at Festung von Schnurr??
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How would I know? I barely remember your vist. FAR too much red wine. But I would say, probably. Through one eye.

Trying to narrow down John's question (no-one knows what to call these, me included). Is it: What units had three "bumps" or whatever those are on all chinscales like the Sachsen Reiter above??
 
Through one eye??.....probably as when I am seeing double due to excessive alcohol consumption, I try to navigate with one eye closed. Sometimes, this method does work..... although it does depend on the amount of vin rouge consumed. At times, binocular vision can be a hinderance to the drunken haube collector. Take note please, our novice haube collectors....when invited over to a more experienced haube guys' house to view his years of "accumulation" be prepared to be wined and dined. They are soooo.... glad (think of the life of the lonely badger) to have someone who actually cares about this stuff to finally make their acquaintance that sometimes too much alcohol can be consumed!! Please nouveau haube afficianadoes...take care. Do Not HAUBE and Drive!
 
Ahhhh Chas. It does my old heart good to know that you also use the term scallops. You do have an above average command of the Queens English despite your rebel heritage. Scalloped edges does sound good. B
 
Scallops! Yes, I knew they weren't called bumps. There are days that if I was on life support, they would have to pull the plug.
Best
Gus
 
Yes, scallops it is! I'm an archaeologist and so distal and proximal are what we refer to the end of your old bones when we dig them up. I saw one set of chinscales that all had three scallop scales. That was a police helmet. Which by the way is my next lesson on ebay. They have a nice police helmet that ran me around my reference books. Eventually I found myself back here in one your older threads.

John
 
OK, scallops it is. The following military units wore chinscales with three scallops on every scale:

All Bayern (Bavarian) Raupenhelm until the M1868 Raupenhelme which had a leather chinstrap.
All Bayern (Bavarian) Ulanen Tschapka until the M1886 Tschapka.
All Bayern (Bavarian) Kürassier Metalhelme until the M1878 Schweren Reiter Pickelhaube
All Sachsen (Saxon) Reiter Regiments until the M1876 Metalhelme.

I don't think I missed any, but someone will chime in if I did. Funny, the list above looks a lot mike my want list.
 
And, of course, other nations wore chinscales which can sometimes be mistaken for German. France and Russia come to mind. Some Russian scales are composed of two scallop only, whereas some alternate 2-3...
 
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