I am posting here some pictures of 9th Dragoner helmets from the J. Turinetti collection. My thanks to Jim for the pictures of these beautiful examples and to Steve M. for his efforts in getting these posted.
KAGGR#1 said:Thanks to Jim T. for these photos of these helmets in his collection .
We all know the D R 9 officers helmet was in gilt trim .A great reserve officer in gilt .
I understand there was an A K O that all Dragoon regiments were to go to a silver trim helmet.
I assume this info was / is correct but I do not know the date of that A K O .
Maybe some of you members out there might know that date ? Bruno ?
Next you see Jim's D R 9 in the silver trim . I have only seen one or two of these
silver D R 9 helmets .
The main thing that would confuse me is that all Dragoon regiments helmets went to
silver trim ; How could we tell a 1 Garde Dragoon from a 2 G D ??
I have also sent Brian 3 other photos of helmets of D R 2 in a German museum .
officer in gilt
officer in silver trim
I think that Brian will post these 3 photos when his time allows
and we will see at least 2 Dragoon regiments that started out with
gilt trim and then changed to silver .
If any members have or know of other silver trim Dragoon helmets
that changed from gilt , please let me know
Many thanks to Jim T.
KAGGR#1 said:Bruno ;
the AKO of September 21st, 1915 ruled that all Prussian Dragoner helmets should be in silver trim, EM and officers', at the exception of Garde Dragoner 1 that kept the yellow gilt.
that answers my question about 1 G D R
If I am correct the only two that we could I D in silver would be D R 2 and D R 9
Was this for Prussian Dragoons only ?
What about D R 19 Oldenburg ?
911car said:Steve, the AKO of September 21st, 1915 ruled that all Prussian Dragoner helmets should be in silver trim, EM and officers', at the exception of Garde Dragoner 1 that kept the yellow gilt.
Tony without Kaiser said:
911car said:Tony, this is official history. How far was the rule actually enforced I don't know. In 1914, Prussia had 8 Dragoner regiments with helmets in gold colour trim. Imagine the cost of renewing all these, or even just refurbishing old ones. Was it tolerated to wear the old helmet under the Uberzug? In addition, the helmet with gray fittings, which we know as the M15 model, had been already adopted earlier (April) in 1915. Therefore the question was possibly not even relevant in most Dragoner regiments. Perhaps, then, this change from gold to silver applied essentially to officer helmets (of which Jim's examples should be a beautiful illustration). I have never seen a DR1 or DR2 officer helmet in white trim, which of course does not mean these do not exist...
911car said:Perhaps, then, this change from gold to silver applied essentially to officer helmets (of which Jim's examples should be a beautiful illustration).