Helmet with a weird wappen

[JPT]

The upper inscription the beautiful alliance is comparable to that of the Rgt. 88 but without interior addition ??

 

[dixmude 14]

IR 87 TRES BIEN !!

 

[JPT]

IR 87 TRES BIEN !!

the problem is that the headband is not like the majority of 87 helmets

 

[dixmude 14]

Très juste

 

[KAGGR#1]

the problem is that the headband is not like the majority of 87 helmets
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I agree
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

The upper inscription the beautiful alliance is comparable to that of the Rgt. 88 but without interior addition ??

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I have never seen this one before.
Thanks
Steve

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Two versions of the “La belle alliance” banner:
---First, in the shape of a crossbow.
---Second, in the shape of a bird's flight.

 

[JPT]

Nothing to do with the Rgt. 73. You see, as for the ersatz helmet, it is a wappen that looks like the Rgt.88 but without the lower headbands.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Yes, that's what I said, I'll make it clearer:

---JR 87 first version ( "la belle alliance"-shaped wedding band, the banner does not fit over the wings, same shape as R88. ):

---JR 87 second version : The “La belle alliance” banner is in the shape of a bird's flight, and runs over the wings to Vaterland-Badeau (like FR73, but with “Peninsula-Waterloo”).

---JR 88 :

 

[festwagner]

Strange plate, no trace of cutting the lower banderola ?

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Strange plate, no trace of cutting the lower banderola ?

Not possible or very difficult. The contact areas circled in blue cannot be erased, especially the part of the scepter where the banner is attached. The eagle should be removed to see the reverse, and the edge should be examined closely, in the area circled in blue.

 

[inventia]

Not possible or very difficult. The contact areas circled in blue cannot be erased, especially the part of the scepter where the banner is attached. The eagle should be removed to see the reverse, and the edge should be examined closely, in the area circled in blue.

YES is possible. If you look carefully on JPT helmet you can see the rest of lower bandeau.

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[inventia]

 

[JPT]

YES is possible. If you look carefully on JPT helmet you can see the rest of lower bandeau.

what would be the point of doing such a thing? luckily this helmet is not mine

 

[inventia]

what would be the point of doing such a thing? luckily this helmet is not mine

I dont know either Maybe lower part was partialy destroyed so he decided to convert into "faux" IR 88.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

quel serait l'intérêt de faire une telle chose ? heureusement que ce casque n'est pas le mien

Making a fake JR87 from a JR88.

Thanks for the close-ups, Inventia
indeed, the 2 lower side banners may well have been cut.

 

[inventia]

Fabrication d'un faux JR87 à partir d'un JR88. :incertain:

Thanks for the close-ups, Inventia
indeed, the 2 lower side banners may well have been cut.

A votre service !

 

[John Josef]

Maybe done by a collector years ago who had two JR88s and just wanted one JR87 and one JR88 really bad.

It's possible but certainly not recommended.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

It would be interesting to check the eagle trace on the felt. It could be period, as UV rays generally leave the part under the eagle darker. If the cut was recent, we'd have the trace of each banner on the felt.

 

[JPT]

It would be interesting to check the eagle trace on the felt. It could be period, as UV rays generally leave the part under the eagle darker. If the cut was recent, we'd have the trace of each banner on the felt.

I found this helmet on Alamy without further details