Hessen Beamte?

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Doesn't have a Hessian spike and has that smaller shield... I've never seen anything like this and get that 'parts helmet' feeling... ?

:D Ron
 
Ron,

Could well be a parts helmet. However the shield is the pattern worn by Hessian Unterbeamten i.e. those Beamten with the equivalence of non commissioned officer rank such as a Büchsenmacher or Waffenmeister.

Regards
Glenn
 
Glennj said:
Ron,

Could well be a parts helmet. However the shield is the pattern worn by Hessian Unterbeamten i.e. those Beamten with the equivalence of non commissioned officer rank such as a Büchsenmacher or Waffenmeister.

Regards
Glenn
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Perhaps I am wrong here but this seems the wrong spike to me for a beambte pickelhaube. I've seen beamte helmets before with a little ball at the top of the spike.

Regards,

Edwin
 
Edwin,

The spike certainly does not display the characteristics of a typical Hessian pattern, i.e. a "fluted" pattern. Having said that, I have come across nothing in the dress regulations that would suggest that Hessian Beamten wore a ball tipped spike.

Regards
Glenn
 
I have a Rhineland Beamte helmet with a normal spike on it, but I don't know if it was fire, police, pay, customs or what...

:D Ron
 
If I'm not mistaken, the Militär Beamten (Military Officials) wore the 'usual' military spikes...

Here's my Prussian version: http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7306&hilit=Prussian+Beamte" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Check out Thomas N.G. Stubbs's Imperial German Military Officers' Helmets & Head Dress 1817-1918, pages 476-478. He shows a Hessian Beamte upper official's helmet with a square visor and a smooth-spike on a cruciform base without a Perling. The plate has a small silver lion at the bottom. Lower officials and armorers wore the same pattern helmet but with a small crowned shield bearing a lion rampant on the helmet plate.
 
The Hessen military officials' headgear certainly appears to be both complicated and contradictory! This from a period (1902) publication showing the uniform of an Intendantur-Sekretär with cruciform base, fluted spike and round front peak:

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The Prussian military officials' dress regulations of 1908 are not explicit and simply state in the appendix dealing with the Hessian contingent that they (of course) wore the Hessian Lion plate.

However, Kraus, volume 2, page 847 states: Hessen: Hessian coat of arms with small Hessian lion in opposite metal colour; helmet with rounded front peak and circular spike base.

Regards
Glenn
 
Not explicitly stated although in reference to the Bavarian officials it does say "gekehlte" Spitze. The inference I take from this is that Krause is implying a "glatte" or smooth spike as per the Prussians.

Regards
Glenn
 
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