Hessian DR. 24

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Good evening gentlemen,

I am hoping my assessment is correct as I didn't have alot of photos to go off of and this was a bit of a rushed purchase. A friend of mine sent me photos of a hessian pickelhaube with silver fittings and after doing some quick research I believe the silver fittings with no campaign scrolls above the hessian wappen would make this an enlisted man's 24th dragoons pickelhaube. There is no evidence of any other wappens or spike bases being attached at any point and has a clear 1915 issue date but no unit stamp so I was going solely off of the fittings. I am a fan of the matching silver hessian spike. What does everyone think?

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You hit the Antique Mall jackpot Will. It looks like a real M95 Hessian enlisted Dragoon helmet, dated 1915.

Looks like the spike unscrews also.

A MN mall find from back home? It sort of looks like Cannon Falls when I was in there back in July.

Lol, you've got me a little jealous, as I've been wanting one of these for many years, lol. Again, congratulations!

Best Wishes,

Alan
 
USN said:
Good evening gentlemen,

I am hoping my assessment is correct as I didn't have alot of photos to go off of and this was a bit of a rushed purchase. A friend of mine sent me photos of a hessian pickelhaube with silver fittings and after doing some quick research I believe the silver fittings with no campaign scrolls above the hessian wappen would make this an enlisted man's 24th dragoons pickelhaube. There is no evidence of any other wappens or spike bases being attached at any point and has a clear 1915 issue date but no unit stamp so I was going solely off of the fittings. I am a fan of the matching silver hessian spike. What does everyone think?

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Hi Will,
There is a dark line under the rear visor which is partially hidden as the visor is unsewn (picture #4). Might this be the box of a regiment marking?
 
ww1czechlegion said:
You hit the Antique Mall jackpot Will. It looks like a real M95 Hessian enlisted Dragoon helmet, dated 1915.

Looks like the spike unscrews also.

A MN mall find from back home? It sort of looks like Cannon Falls when I was in there back in July.

Lol, you've got me a little jealous, as I've been wanting one of these for many years, lol. Again, congratulations!

Best Wishes,

Alan
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Actually this was a find from an antique mall in Denver, a friend of mine who knows I like ww1 stuff said he found a "spike helmet" that I might be interested in and I was very very interested haha according to him its somehow been sitting in that shop for 3 years unnoticed.
 
911car said:
Hi Will,
There is a dark line under the rear visor which is partially hidden as the visor is unsewn (picture #4). Might this be the box of a regiment marking?
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It is possible, I'll give it a thorough look when I have it in hand.
 
USN said:
Actually this was a find from an antique mall in Denver, a friend of mine who knows I like ww1 stuff said he found a "spike helmet" that I might be interested in and I was very very interested haha according to him its somehow been sitting in that shop for 3 years unnoticed.
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Yes, good for you Will, congrats!

There's one in my home town that was brought back from WW2 by the current owner's aunt when she was serving with the Red Cross over in Germany right after the war. And another one is in a sleepy little museum here in my state. I can't buy either of them, unfortunately, they don't want to sell them. The adult kids of the one back home have fun putting the helmet on their head when they come home to visit their parents. He said I can buy it on the auction sale rack some day when he has an auction. (Lots of luck with that, lol). I've tried to buy it for 30+ years with no success. That one is eskadron marked, but not regiment marked, surprisingly. The one in the museum has nice dragoon issue markings on it, and dated ?1911 or ?1913, and has the silver removable chinscales on it. The only thing missing is the Hessen kokarde on it. It's a killer helmet.

As a side note, there was a gorgeous untouched 115th M95 enlisted sitting in a pawn shop in WI a number of years ago. The seller said it sat there for a long time, and then for some reason he decided to put in on eBay with a "buy-it-now" price of $1,000.00. I missed that one also the day it was sold.
 
ww1czechlegion said:
Yes, good for you Will, congrats!

There's one in my home town that was brought back from WW2 by the current owner's aunt when she was serving with the Red Cross over in Germany right after the war. And another one is in a sleepy little museum here in my state. I can't buy either of them, unfortunately, they don't want to sell them. The adult kids of the one back home have fun putting the helmet on their head when they come home to visit their parents. He said I can buy it on the auction sale rack some day when he has an auction. (Lots of luck with that, lol). I've tried to buy it for 30+ years with no success. That one is eskadron marked, but not regiment marked, surprisingly. The one in the museum has nice dragoon issue markings on it, and dated ?1911 or ?1913, and has the silver removable chinscales on it. The only thing missing is the Hessen kokarde on it. It's a killer helmet.

As a side note, there was a gorgeous untouched 115th M95 enlisted sitting in a pawn shop in WI a number of years ago. The seller said it sat there for a long time, and then for some reason he decided to put in on eBay with a "buy-it-now" price of $1,000.00. I missed that one also the day it was sold.
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Its always frustrating when things like that happen, I'm sure I'll have a hard time finding scales or a strap/ cockade for this one. But I guess you'll just have to keep your eyes open on for the auction when it comes up, I have taken to keeping a portion of my savings ser aside for when things like this come up.
 
USN said:
Its always frustrating when things like that happen, I'm sure I'll have a hard time finding scales or a strap/ cockade for this one. But I guess you'll just have to keep your eyes open on for the auction when it comes up, I have taken to keeping a portion of my savings ser aside for when things like this come up.
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I've been extremely fortunate the past year to turn up 2-enlisted leather chinstraps with neusilber fittings on them. First one was was on a badly damaged Pioneer helmet last December. The second one was found recently on a trashed, relic condition shell of a garde enlisted helmet that otherwise had very nice neusilber parts on it. Someone destroyed the helmet shell by slathering leather "preservative" on it many years ago. The straps were nice on both these helmets, surpisingly. So yes, they do turn up from time to time. The curved cavalry chinscales will be much harder to find, but never say never. One never knows what might turn up.
 
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ww1czechlegion said:
I've been extremely fortunate the past year to turn up 2-enlisted leather chinstraps with neusilber fittings on them. First one was was on a badly damaged Pioneer helmet last December. The second one was found recently on a trashed, relic condition shell of a garde enlisted helmet that otherwise had very nice neusilber parts on it. Someone destroyed the helmet shell by slathering leather "preservative" on it many years ago. The straps were nice on both these helmets, surpisingly. So yes, they do turn up from time to time. The curved cavalry chinscales will be much harder to find, but never say never. One never knows what might turn up.
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I don't think I've ever come across a loose neusilber chinstrap, very lucky! Should you decide to let go of one of those straps id gladly take it off your hands.
 
The helmet finally arrived and unfortunately there is no unit stamp anywhere to be found but it does still have its 1915 manufacturer stamp. It came with a M15 chinstrap loop and Prussian cockade, an interesting note is the nail that appears to have been used to fix the loop on the front of the wappen. Looking at the hole with a magnifying glass there is a fair amount of dust and patina so the holes at least aren't brand new but its hard to say when they were put there. Also no extra holes on the shell which is a relief so this will be my first ever hessian helmet I am incredibly excited to have one of these.

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USN said:
The helmet finally arrived and unfortunately there is no unit stamp anywhere to be found but it does still have its 1915 manufacturer stamp. It came with a M15 chinstrap loop and Prussian cockade, an interesting note is the nail that appears to have been used to fix the loop on the front of the wappen. Looking at the hole with a magnifying glass there is a fair amount of dust and patina so the holes at least aren't brand new but its hard to say when they were put there. Also no extra holes on the shell which is a relief so this will be my first ever hessian helmet I am incredibly excited to have one of these.

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A nice helmet to find
I like the Dragoon regiments
Steve
 
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A nice helmet to find
I like the Dragoon regiments
Steve
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This one doesn't quite fit my current project but it does fill a hole in my collection as I have been needing a hessian helmet the dragoon aspect is definitely a bonus though. Now I have one for each major state except Mecklenburg.
 
Would DR. 24 have worn brass or silver chinscales? I have seen some examples being sold with brass scales but have seen a few period paintings with them wearing silver scales.
 
USN said:
Would DR. 24 have worn brass or silver chinscales? I have seen some examples being sold with brass scales but have seen a few period paintings with them wearing silver scales.
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Will,

They wore silver, curved shaped mounted troops style chinscales.

Best Wishes,

Alan
 
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USN said:
I am definitely glad you posted it here as well, I think it looked great on the helmet. Now I am on the hunt for a comparable national cockade and some chinscales
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Will, there is a nice one, comparable to your Hessian kokarde for sale now on French ebay. I do not know if its by the same seller though.
Although the sellers remarks about it seems the same.
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COCARDE DU REICH pour casque a pointe 1895 / 1915 | eBay

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The auction will end in 3 day's.

Regards, Coert.
 
coert65 said:
Will, there is a nice one, comparable to your Hessian kokarde for sale now on French ebay. I do not know if its by the same seller though.
Although the sellers remarks about it seems the same.
www.ebay.fr

COCARDE DU REICH pour casque a pointe 1895 / 1915 | eBay

Les meilleures offres pour COCARDE DU REICH pour casque a pointe 1895 / 1915 sont sur eBay ✓ Comparez les prix et les spécificités des produits neufs et d'occasion ✓ Pleins d'articles en livraison gratuite!
www.ebay.fr
The auction will end in 3 day's.

Regards, Coert.
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I had spotted that one, I'm going to try for it and hopefully it doesn't go to high. The hessian cockade took up a good portion of my spending money for the month.
 
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