Hohenfriedberg Bandeau/scroll

[Khukri]

I noticed: The Hohenfriedberg commemorative scroll. "Bandeau" on the Officer and OR helmets of the Kürassier Regiment Königin [Pommersches] Nr.2 comes in the stamped, died version [Officers and OR...and yes...even the Kaisers helmetwappen is the died bandeau version: not added. Or the added bandeau version.[Officers and OR...Private purchase?] Perhaps these private purchase Hohenfriedberg Wappen were too delicate/thin to have this particular scroll stamped/died in. Hope you will be able to help here. Thank you!

 

[KAGGR#1]

I noticed: The Hohenfriedberg commemorative scroll. "Bandeau" on the Officer and OR helmets of the Kürassier Regiment Königin [Pommersches] Nr.2 comes in the stamped, died version [Officers and OR...and yes...even the Kaisers helmetwappen is the died bandeau version: not added. Or the added bandeau version.[Officers and OR...Private purchase?] Perhaps these private purchase Hohenfriedberg Wappen were too delicate/thin to have this particular scroll stamped/died in. Hope you will be able to help here. Thank you!

Here are my K R 2 e m and K R 2 Officers helmets
both plates are one piece
I think that I have seen the banner added
I need to look at photos
A collector friend of mine at one time
owner the K R 2 helmet of the Crown Prince
Steve

 

[Khukri]

Thank you for the comment and these pictures. Great helmets. Probably the "added Bandeau" versions were the private purchase ones. Fragile. For parades. I'd guess it would be not wise to ad an Überzug on these. You might remove the Hohenfriedberg Bandeau with the cover....Regards from Flanders-Belgium!

 

[Sandmann]

I don’t know if I understand your question correctly, but each piece of equipment was bought for a specific wearing time and each regiment had only a fix budget at its disposal. If there were changes of pieces of equipment, existing pieces were therefore adapted as far as possible for the specific wearing time and not simply exchanged. The plates with the integrated scrolls were the later versions, bought after the wearing times of the existing plates expired. Officers were probably better off, so if they could afford it, they exchanged the entire plate.

Here is another interesting article on this specific plate by Col. J: Kürassier Regt Nr 2 Wappen

 

[Khukri]

Thank you! I will check as much pictures I can find.

 

[911car]

This is an early officer model (1867 or 1870), and the scroll is already stamped with the plate.

 

[Khukri]

Thank you for your information. Would there be some info in the old makers catalogues?

 

[Sandmann]

Here is a one with an additional scroll, I think. I found it on regimentals.co.uk

 

[KAGGR#1]

Here is a one with an additional scroll, I think. I found it on regimentals.co.ukView attachment 26358

from memory since the scroll continues with the 2 ends made into the plate
It is still a one piece stamping and then the extra banner added over it
in other words the 3 -D Banner is over the original stamped Banner
Steve

 

[Khukri]

from memory since the scroll continues with the 2 ends made into the plate
It is still a one piece stamping and then the extra banner added over it
in other words the 3 -D Banner is over the original stamped Banner
Steve

Steve, great info. Great detective work! Indeed...of course! First there was the "stamped" Hohenfriedberg Wappen. This 3-D Bandeau must be a fashionable Pimp of the original Wappen. The only proof to this is to remove a pimped Hohenfriedberg Wappen off the helmet and have a closer look. Huis Doorn in the Netherlands: the Kaiser's Kürassier Regiment Königin [Pommersches] Nr.2 helmet has never been pimped to the 3-D version!

 

[pppara]

I had an EM KR 2 helmet by the passed. The plate was an one piece 1867 pattern.

 

[Sandmann]

Steve, great info. Great detective work! Indeed...of course! First there was the "stamped" Hohenfriedberg Wappen. This 3-D Bandeau must be a fashionable Pimp of the original Wappen. The only proof to this is to remove a pimped Hohenfriedberg Wappen off the helmet and have a closer look. Huis Doorn in the Netherlands: the Kaiser's Kürassier Regiment Königin [Pommersches] Nr.2 helmet has never been pimped to the 3-D version!

If you look for a back side photo of such a plate, please have a look to the linked article from Col. J „Kürassier Regt Nr 2 Wappen“
In this he showed a photo of the front and back side of the 3D version above and also a plate and also of a normal landwehr eagle with a scroll.

 

[Khukri]

Thank you! Great info!

 

[pppara]

The EM mine was like the picture post by Sandman the head was soldered and the prongs separated with a part of the prussian moto. But the rest and the hohenffriedberg moto was monobloc.

 

[JohnM]

Khurki,

Check my pictures here:

Thread 'Kurrasier Regt Konigin (Pommersches) Nr. 2 NCO Private Purchase' https://www.pickelhaubes.com/xf/thr...-pommersches-nr-2-nco-private-purchase.15975/

John

 

[Khukri]

Khurki,

Check my pictures here:

Thread 'Kurrasier Regt Konigin (Pommersches) Nr. 2 NCO Private Purchase' https://www.pickelhaubes.com/xf/thr...-pommersches-nr-2-nco-private-purchase.15975/

John

Thank you John. The bandeau lettering could be found enamelled. This would explain the special ribbing. But because of the very thin material I think the enamel was not lasting long. Great detail. Thank you for the link.

 

[Khukri]

View attachment 26417
The EM mine was like the picture post by Sandman the head was soldered and the prongs separated with a part of the prussian moto. But the rest and the hohenffriedberg moto was monobloc.

Thank you!