Identify Medals

zipperheads9

zipperheads9

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How does one determine the originalitey of German medals . I ahve 2 second Clas Iron Cross Groups . 1 Came with a Pic ,Militarpass and Soldbuch , The pair is mounted differentthan i am used to seeing. The second group i picked up on it's own. I can see no markings on the ring of the ironcrosses.
Mark
 
I have 3 basic groups a single and 2 pair of medals . the one is mounted in reverse and came with a grouping i have included pics of that. The other's are show pick ups. i need to get better pics .

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0525.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0526.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0520-1.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0521.jpg

These all came from a group. the dealer had a nice M15 Grenadiers PickleHaube at the same time. It was priced at the cost of an M95 so i passed ( I could kick myself now) . The fellow is a driver in a train battalion , from the little i can read in his Books.
the next is a pair , bought ny itself

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0529.jpg

I will try to harness this Digital camera thing down , As you all seem to have the picture thing down to a pat.
Mark
 
Hi Mark:

What you have paired with the Iron Cross 2nd Class is the Ehrenkreuz (Cross of Honor) 1914-18. The Ehrenkreuz, sometimes referred to as the Hindenburg Cross, was instituted in July 1934 and available in three grades: combatant, noncombatant, and for widows of the fallen. The Ehrenkreuz was the sole official national award commemorating service in the Great War.

Though it was meant to precede, when mounted, all other state awards, the Ehrenkreuz would never take precedence over the Iron Cross. Though the mounting of your first example appears old, it is not, as you identified, correct. Furthermore, the presence of swords on the ribbon is superfluous as they are already present on the cross. Whoever is responsible didn't know what he was doing.

The Militärpaß appears to be of the type issued by the Kaiserliche Marine.

For taking close-up pictures, you will need to set your lens for macro photography. The universal symbol for this setting is a flower. there should be a corresponding button for this with the camera's controls.

Happy shutterbugging!

Chas.
 
Thanks for the info on the medals. The 2 books and pic are for matched in right physical description , right amount of kids . they also match the same man .
The medal group probably was added .I at least know for sure they are not mounted right.
As for the Camera I have used the macro setting , I did not mean to really take a pic of the books but I did a quick shot and it was not the best .
I am still reading the ubiquatis manual on the darn thing .
Mark
 
If I may add my 2 cents worth.

You will sometimes find German WW1 or pre-WW1 sets where the complete order of precedence of the medals is reversed. NOT jumbled, but 100% reversed. These were for civilian jackets along the lapel. This would put the higher awards lower then the lower ones if mounted in the prescribed order and was woefully unacceptable. So the awards were mounted in reverse order thus ensuring the higher awards were positioned higher than the lower ones.

This is one possibility, but this gentleman might just have been incorrect in the mounting of his awards...

Also, about the swords on the ribbon. The method used here to mount the medals is the old Prussian style which was still widely used in WW1. The back plate was barely an inch high with hooks on the back. The plate and ribbons would be worn in the "undress" mode and the medals would only be added for parades or other such occasions requiring decorations. Hence the reason for having swords on the ribbon. They ensured the onlooker would know this gentleman earned the cross with swords for combatant vice the non combattant version which used the same ribbon but without swords when the medals were not affixed the back hooks.

Cheers!

Frank
 
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