Infantry or Train, that’s the question on Hessen Pickelhauben

[ccj]

This is supposed to be infantry but looks same as train. How can you tell?

 

[911car]

This is supposed to be infantry but looks same as train. How can you tell?

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You can't, Charles...

 

[911car]

As you know, only in the 115th do we find the canonical traits of imperial infantry officer helmets, including flat scales.
The lower left helmet - the same as yours - may belong to infantry or train.

 

[ccj]

All three are wonderful examples. Is the one one cavalry. I know, well think, Hessen cavalry didn’t use the square from visors.

 

[911car]

All three are wonderful examples. Is the one one cavalry. I know, well think, Hessen cavalry didn’t use the square from visors.

Yes indeed. You are correct. Dragoner officer. DR23 or DR24,

 

[911car]

This model for enlisted men could be for infantry too; only the marking tells it was used by the Hessian train battalion, TB18.

 

[ccj]

Nice , appear to be well stocked in Hessen helmets

 

[Tony without Kaiser]

Thank you Bruno I just found my new PC desktop image for a few months. Amazing photo.

 

[911car]

Thank you Bruno I just found my new PC desktop image for a few months. Amazing photo.

Glad you like it, Tony! (I suppose you are referring to the three Hessian officers)

 

[Tony without Kaiser]

Yes yes. The toning to the fittings is absolutely marvellous. Traumstück!

 

[argonne]

This model for enlisted men could be for infantry too; only the marking tells it was used by the Hessian train battalion, TB18.

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And maybe sometimes, the width of the M91 side post too. Either wider (3mm) for convex chinscales worn in the Train units or tighter for infantry chinstrap (1mm).

Philippe

 

[ccj]

And maybe sometimes, the width of the M91 side post too. Either wider (3mm) for convex chinscales worn in the Train units or tighter for infantry chinstrap (1mm).

Philippe

I’d have to see examples to better understand

 

[911car]

I’d have to see examples to better understand

I think Philippe means that chinscales, being thicker, need to be anchored to a post on which the index is more distant from the basis. Conversely, on helmets that only received leather chinstraps, the metal piece that hooks to the post is thinner, and hence this distance is shorter.

 

[ccj]

That’s what I thought he may be referring to but was unsure. Thanks

 

[RedCy]

This is supposed to be infantry but looks same as train. How can you tell?

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Thank you for posting these photos. Position of the screws on back of the wappen is different than majority of the examples. Screws on most wappens are horizontal which is rare based on my experience.

 

[911car]

Thank you for posting these photos. Position of the screws on back of the wappen is different than majority of the examples. Screws on most wappens are horizontal which is rare based on my experience.

You are right, position of the screws is different, but this vertical configuration is commonly seen on Hessian helmets.

 

[ccj]

I hope the one I posted form Weitze is correct.... I think so based on some others opinion

 

[b.loree]

The loops on Hessen OR issued helmet wappen are horizontal while private purchase officer wappen are soldered on the diagonal.

 

[ccj]

It’s mine now….

 

[Jeff R]

What a beautiful pair of helmets!