JR 92 course

joerookery

joerookery

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This is entire course courtesy of Bruno:

Note the features that make it a typical 91' model:
- overall heavy construction; thick leather lining
- no aerator
- shape of the chinstrap hooks
- shape of the cockade (large, very rounded outer rim)
- attachment of the rear spine on the visor
- it was first dated 1893 and
I should have added the non-grommetted holes to affix the front plate, and the latter attached with screws and nuts; all characteristics of pre-1895 models.
Bruno
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Hello,

And with the right marking to 3rd Bataillion for a pre-1914 helmet with skull...

Superbe !

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Bruno

Could you please explain more about the cockards? You said bigger and rounder -- how much bigger? Sorry for all the questions... no I'm not you don't see one of these helmets every day... well maybe you do!
 
Thank you! That's a nice comparison now my depth perception is not that good and I can see how this band is bigger, but is it also elevated? Most of the examples show the ring or band depressed but this one looks elevated? I never knew there was a difference!
 
Joe: Here is a comparison photo of two M91 Prussian kokardes. The one on the left is very early and has a much smaller center hole than the later post 1895 versions.

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Reservist1
 
Thanks! That explanation is crystal clear. You know I never stopped to realize there was a difference. Thanks again!
 
reservist1 said:
Joe: Here is a comparison photo of two M91 Prussian kokardes. The one on the left is very early and has a much smaller center hole than the later post 1895 versions.
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That seems odd to me... I knew the M1891 was slightly larger overall than the M1891, but the post hole should be the same should it not? Your one on the left R1, almost looks like the hole was stamped the standard size, but not drilled out the standard size? T
 
Tony: The kokarde is specifically made with the smaller hole. The hole in the kokarde is just large enough for the post portion of the side lug to pass through. There is a stepped shoulder formed around the hole that provides clearance for the base of the side lug. It is the same style construction as seen in Saxon kokardes except the Prussian one illustrated does not have the triangular notch to clear the retaining stud on the side lug. The stepped shoulder allows the edge of the kokarde to sit flush with the herlmet body. If the shoulder were not there, the kokarde would sit againt the base of the side lug and not be flush with the helmet body. The following images show the front and back of the Prussian kokarde under discussion with a Saxon style kokarde for comparison. The Saxon kokarde in the photo has a diameter of 48mm so it is probably post 1895 manufacture

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This image shows how the side lug base fits into the stepped shoulder.

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This enlargement gives a better view of the stepped shoulder.

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These kokardes with the stepped shoulder would have required a more complex stamping operation to produce than the standard kokarde with the large hole that passes over the side lug base.

Reservist1
 
I have seen several of the "small hole" Prussian kokardes with the triangular notch but the one above is the only example I have seen without the triangular notch. To put the illustrated Prussian kokarde on a helmet you have to hook the kokarde over the triangular stud on the side lug, then pull it down over the post portion of the side lug.

Reservist1
 
More pictures and a source from Bruno. --These are also well described by Larcade in vol. 1, in the section "Generalites sur les cocardes".

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