M15 tchapka

USN

Active member
Hello all,

I am interested in the M15 tchapka that is up for sale on the forum here and was wanting the opinions of some more experienced individuals as to the wappen. I have seen examples of standard pickelhauben with slits cut into the leather to accommodate a plate but I have seen mixed opinions as to whether those were done at a depot or done stateside as a victory helmet just to make a random plate fit the helmet. What are everyone's thoughts on this? I will include the link to the helmet.

Many thanks,
Will
 

KAGGR#1

Well-known member
I would rather not comment on a helmet offered by a fellow member .
Why not ask the seller your questions direct ?
Steve
 

JohnM

Active member
Steve,

I appreciate your candor.

I don't mind any comments made regarding my posted helmets. I actually encourage it!

This only applies to me so I would ask forum members to ask the seller how they feel but I have no issue with any observations negative or positive. In the end it's up to buyer to decide whether they want to purchase something but they should be educated with the best info we can provide them.

I told Will I can't tell if the plate was placed on the Tschapka at a Depot level or post war. All I know for sure is that the grommet spacing is correct for an issue Uhlan line Wappen and the helmet came from a US soldier as was booty but I was unable to confirm which war.

John
 

USN

Active member
Yes I did discuss this with John before hand, I'm not a fan of backdooring people. Haha
 

KAGGR#1

Well-known member
In fact IMO we will never know where and when the Garde eagle was applied to
the Uhlan body .It's a matter of what you can be be happy with .The price is sure O K
We know from wartime photos that some helmet plates were changed or moved around .
Back in those days no one was trying to deceive anyone .They didn't know what was correct
and the helmets back then had a value of next to nothing .One of the things often seen
is a death head skull added to a line Husaren busby .We see the banner above the skull
is not the correct one .One could say back then "Look it is brought back by a veteran , it has to be right "
Steve
 

USN

Active member
I am happy with it either way, just looking to expand my own knowledge. Your points are all very valid. I don't think if the plate is incorrect it would have been done to deceive but more due to a lack of knowledge since I'm sure no one studied them back then the way we do now
 

b.loree

Administrator
Staff member
In my opinion the proper wappen would be the 1915 Prussian Tschapka eagle. To my eyes the extra slits have been done so that the Garde eagle which is longer, can be put on the shell. I would always go with whatever fits those original grommeted holes, as the manufacturer intended.
 

USN

Active member
And so the process begins, I gave the shell a good treatment of chamberlains leather milk and I'm starting to reshape it. Once the shell retains a proper shape I'll start restitching the visors and begin the hunt for replacement parts like cockades and an ever elusive mortar board. The wappen actually fits the original grommets perfectly but they were just put into the helmet to low which I'm guessing is why the extra slits were added.20211122_101012.jpg
 
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