Pickelhaube M15 Baden

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Hello to all,
I’m here again with a question…. My last treasure is a Badische Pickelhaube model 15; looking for the condition of the liner (very good) :D I found in the inner side a small tissue label with the soldier name and the regiment.
The label is quite readable but give me some doubt. I’m sorry but I don’t know how to post a picture, so I can try to describe it…

Schutze BENDER 2 MGK Ld.. JR 607

After the letter d there is a third character, but is hard to read; I suppose that 2MGK is “2 Machine Gewehr Kompanie” but is the JR 607 that is a real mystery…
I’m afraid if I ‘m not able to post a picture, but I’ll be happy to send one or more to the peoples interested. :cry:
Thank you in advance

Franco :cry:
 
Thanks George, still trying to get organized here.
Okay Franco there is a bit of a mystery on this one but it is not what you think!

The tag is perfectly normal -- soldiers bought these at a store to mark their stuff. Schutze BENDER 2 MGK Ld.. JR 607
Is correct but the missing part you have identified is:
Schutze BENDER 2 MGK Ldst. JR 607

Landsturm infantry Regiment 607 was in the 253rd Infantry Division. It consisted of four battalions and was fed by a fifth Landsturm battalion. This entire element was in Army Corps VIII. Geographically it puts the Regiment somewhere around Aachen -- not Baden. The regiment was not formed until May 1916. I have no specific data about the machine-gun companies.

While this seems somewhat neat or tidy things are falling apart when you find out there is no 253rd infantry division in the "histories" book. So far I have not found it as that book has both mistakes as well as moves division titles. I have not determined why the machine-gun company would come from Baden. Hope this helps.
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Thank you Joe,
If the JR come from somewhere around Aachen is really strange that this MGK come from Baden, but I can assure you that the helmet was in the original condition, and the front badge fit perfectly on the marks on the leather. There are no additional holes and the overall conditions are good. I'll send a picture of it.
Thank you again
MFG
Franco
 
Very interesting Franco and a great pic of that label. Joe can we add that foto to our list of helmet markings?? My question is was there a JR 607? Maybe some of our shoulder board collectors could confirm this? Brian
 
Could this Landstrum Regiment started life out in another Division or be an assebled Regimet? I am not familiar with Lansrtumm make up , actually confuses me .
Mark
 
I am not familiar with Lansrtumm make up , actually confuses me .
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Don't feel like the Lone Ranger! It took me forever to crack the code -- and I still do not have an entirely cracked picture. This is Landsturm infantry Regiment 607. There was no infantry Regiment 607. 8-)
 
Franco,

Mark just sent me some information which shows easily how those machine-gun companies could have come from Baden. It also goes to show how it is important to trace individual unit markings. The 187th infantry Regiment was a Prussian outfit formed during the war. It had companies from Hanseatic cities that wore a different cockade and companies from Mecklenburg that wore a different Wappen. This regiment was formed by pulling companies from different states, regiments, and entire corps regions. A machine-gun company from Baden seems to be a relatively normal type of occurrence once the war commenced. This translation comes from the book on the 187th Regiment by Dose.

The master companies, of which the new regiment consisted, are as follows:

1. Company in former times 6/31

2. Company in former times 14/85 (My father)

3. Company in former times 13/86

4. Company in former times 14/89

5. Company in former times 13/90 (Jan Egbers)

6. Company in former times 14/90

7. Company in former times 2/Res. 76

8. Company in former times 6/Res. 76

9. Company in former times 13/162

10. Company in former times 14/162

11. Company in former times 13/163

12. Company in former times 14/163

M.G. Company in former times field machine gun courses 200 and 201
1. to 6. Company became from the IX A. K. and the companies 7 to 12 from the IX. Res. A. K. extracted. The troops came primarily from Schleswig-Holstein, Hanseaten, and Mecklenburgern.
 
Joe,
your explanation is clear.Unfortunately there are no other regiment or company stamps on this helmet.
I'll be back home for the weekend,so I'll try to take some pictures of other markings on other helmets.
Thank you
MFG
Franco
 
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