Saxon Uhlan Tschapska M1860

chrisutter

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Saxon Uhlan Tschapska, I think M1860,
I would like to know if everythink is ok on this Tschapska, especially if it has the right cocarde.
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911car

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No cockade was worn on these models. You can take it off. The cockade appeared on Tschapkas in 1897, and it would have been the Empire cockade anyway (black/white/red), not the Saxon type.
 

chrisutter

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No cockade was worn on these models. You can take it off. The cockade appeared on Tschapkas in 1897, and it would have been the Empire cockade anyway (black/white/red), not the Saxon type.
Thank you very much for your appreciated feedback !!
 

SkipperJohn

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What is the seam between the front half and the back half of this Tschapka?
It looks like two helmets have been sewn together.
I do not own a Tschapka and I am not very familiar with them at all, but I have not seen this seam before.
Really curious.

John
 

Tony without Kaiser

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John the Tschapka is an M1862 and that separately attached piece at the back of the skull is a leftover feature of the M1808. It served no purpose and was removed when the M1867 Tschapka was introduced.
 

Tony without Kaiser

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John I assume you have the phenomenal book Herr, U, Nguyen, U. (2006) The German Cavalry from 1871 to 1914 Verlag Militaria, Vienna.

Pages 522-533 show this exact model of Saxon Tschapka and explain the redundant ’folding rear visor’.
 

911car

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John the Tschapka is an M1862 and that separately attached piece at the back of the skull is a leftover feature of the M1808. It served no purpose and was removed when the M1867 Tschapka was introduced.
Tony, you are correct: this Tschapka retains traits of the 62 model, i.e the leather reinforcement at the back and the non-detachable Rabatte. However, I wrote this is a 1867 model because Saxon Ulanen regiements (17 and 18) were created in 1867 and hence they adopted the Prussian 1867 Tschapka, modified with the saxon plate.

There is a very striking difference between the 62 and 67 models: the 1862 Tschapka still had the eagle plate affixed on the mortarboard. It is in 1867 that it was attached, for the first time, to the shell. It then remained there. In addition, the 67 shell is slightly lower and more rounded, following the same evolution as on spike helmets.
 

Tony without Kaiser

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Bruno yes to all what you wrote, I stand corrected. What makes it confusing is that yes, Saxony adopted the Tschapka in 1867 but they retained the back neck flap and non removable cane and cloth neck but with the Wappen on the front of the shell, until 1888. As shown by the example in this thread. So it was a ‘hybrid’ of sorts. P. 507, Herr, Nguyen, The German Cavalry. I would have loved to have found an issued Prussian M1862 with the Wappen on the neck but it never happened.
 

911car

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Bruno yes to all what you wrote, I stand corrected. What makes it confusing is that yes, Saxony adopted the Tschapka in 1867 but they retained the back neck flap and non removable cane and cloth neck but with the Wappen on the front of the shell, until 1888. As shown by the example in this thread. So it was a ‘hybrid’ of sorts. P. 507, Herr, Nguyen, The German Cavalry. I would have loved to have found an issued Prussian M1862 with the Wappen on the neck but it never happened.
You are correct, Tony: JL Larcade shows, on p. 30, such a "hybrid" Prussian officer Tschapka. It is a 1868 model that still retains a fixed Rabatte and leather reinforcement piece at the back. Larcade describes it as a "fantasy" model, to be worn only in parade.
 
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