Sword Identification Help

[SkipperJohn]

I have a Prussian Infantry Officer's sword made by A Wiener in Berlin --- No seriously, manufactured by "A Wiener" in Berlin.

It is either a model 1840 or a model 1858. There is not much difference between the two.

Can anybody identify the hallmark on this blade? It may help me date it:

This type of sword was used by the Prussian Infantry from the late 1700's until the model 1889 came out. It was used after that, but only for dress occasions. I know that this sword is post 1816 because that model did not have the "top knot". It is also prior to 1887 because it does not incorporate the folding clam shell.

Any help is appreciated.

John

 

[J.LeBrasseur]

John- the makers mark appears to be an older type for Clemen & Jung

James

 

[reservist1]

The name A. (Adolf) Wiener is listed on page 93 of "German Swords & Sword Makers" by Richard H. Bezdek as a retailer in Berlin in the 19th century. The trademark matches an early Clemen & Jung mark as illustrated on page 134 of the cited reference.

 

[SkipperJohn]

The name A. (Adolf) Wiener is listed on page 93 of "German Swords & Sword Makers" by Richard H. Bezdek as a retailer in Berlin in the 19th century. The trademark matches an early Clemen & Jung mark as illustrated on page 134 of the cited reference.

Thanks.
Would you guess this sword to be a model 1840 or a 1858?
The only differences that I can find between the two model types is the amount of braiding on the hilt and the size of the clam shell.
Personally I believe this sword to be from about 1860 to 1870 and a model 58.
However, the braid is more 1840 and the clam shell is more 1858.

John

Additional notes: Clemen & Jung was in business from 1860 until 1944. The mark on this blade is an early Clemen & Jung. Adolf Wiener was simply a military outfitter that supplied the swords. C&J supplied swords to several countries including England and the U.S. The most notable are the swords provided to the U.S. Union Army from 1860 to 1865. C&J was one of the companies that provided the Model 1840 cavalry sword also known as "the Old Wristbreaker". I feel confident that I can date this sword from the period of the Austro-Prussian War and the Franco-Prussian War.

Thanks for your help!

John