Yes the PM problem for curious_CN led to a whole upgrade of our database and the PhpBB operations system which runs the forum. Tech support had to remove everything upgrade to a newer version of Php and then reinstall all data, so it took time and effort. It was a very complex operation from my limited understanding of the computer world. My thanks to tech support for all his efforts as well Sandy. Thanks also to ebeeby for his recent contribution to forum costs. If anyone encounters any glitches please email me.