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Adler

Adler

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It’s been a long time since I bought a bayonet, especially a S98/05nA (Seitengewehr model 1898/1905 neuer Art). Here in Belgium they are rather common but most of the time they are in not so good condition.
This one was found with the frog and Wurtemberg NCO trodl. It has a double makers stamps, all acceptance stamps but no year stamp or crowned letter to indicate the state.
As often seen with bayonets that resided in old collections, there’s a little hole in the frog. These guys just nailed them to the wall because there was still enough of those things out there…
The blade is still in almost mint condition, exept it has been sharpened in a very crude way… but it’s super sharp for a bayonet! During the war the bayonets were mostly sharpened, certainly in a combat zone. It’s a pitty though that the grinder didn’t take more care for that.
All in all, I thought this is still a nice bayonet and it would fit nicely with my Wurtenberg NCO’s equipment…

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Great piece of cold steel !

"Zwilling" ???Solingen???

Think they still make fine knives today.

Francis
 
Thank you for your comments gentlemen!

The stamp of the two "dancing egyptians" is from J. A. Henckels Zwillingswerk of Solingen, the other one is as can be seen clearly the stamp of Frister and Rossmann Berlin.
Both their stamps on the blade means that one made the blade and the other assembled the bayonet. Looking at the stamps, it's most likely that Henckels made the blade because it appears the stamp is deeper and stamped before grinding the blade. The Frister & Rossman stamp appears to be stamped after grinding the blade and is less deep than the Henckels stamp. Also keeping in mind Henckels made knives and still does today, it would be unlikely that they wouldn't have produced the blade.

Why there is no date and state stamp, I really don't know. Since there is an abnahme stamp, it's certainly an issued piece. A Possible expanation can be that there was a misunderstanding between the two companies that made/assembled the bayonet and both were assuming the stamp was the responability of the other... But that's just guessing of course...

Adler
 
Adler said:
Thanks guys! I'll get a truck load of beer in the fridge then...

Adler
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Now you are talking! When you guys are finished drinking the beer, I will have another empty truck:)
 
thats a nice specimen
aspecelly with its frog and troddle
finding this in its current condition :bravo: :bravo:
like you show us your set these are astonishing to look at
better than this will be hard to compeed

jonas
 
Hello Adler,

"The stamp of the two "dancing egyptians" is from J. A. Henckels Zwillingswerk of Solingen, the other one is as can be seen clearly the stamp of Frister and Rossmann Berlin.
Both their stamps on the blade means that one made the blade and the other assembled the bayonet. Looking at the stamps, it's most likely that Henckels made the blade because it appears the stamp is deeper and stamped before grinding the blade. The Frister & Rossman stamp appears to be stamped after grinding the blade and is less deep than the Henckels stamp. Also keeping in mind Henckels made knives and still does today, it would be unlikely that they wouldn't have produced the blade.

Why there is no date and state stamp, I really don't know. Since there is an abnahme stamp, it's certainly an issued piece. A Possible expanation can be that there was a misunderstanding between the two companies that made/assembled the bayonet and both were assuming the stamp was the responability of the other... But that's just guessing of course..."
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This is what I've found in Carter's works:

"S98/05 nA plain and sawback were made in association with Frister. Many have been undated, but about half those recorded were stamped 1917. The Frister & Rossmann trademark was usually placed on the left hand side but the twins marking was sometimes stamped above theirs, at times overlapping and occasionally on the right hand side."

and

"Henckels were certainly capable of producing both blade blanks and finishing the completed bayonets."

and more

"It seems inlikely that Frister were producing the blade blanks but if they were involved in finishing Henckels' bayonets it equally seems odd that Henckels should be receiving unfinished bayonets from Anker-Werke, yet sending their own out to be finished."

;-)
 
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