Turkish Grenade

Gustaf

Gustaf

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Hey All,
I recently had the chance to acquire an example of the Turkish handgrenade type 2. My example is with out the fuse assembly and I am having a friend make me a reproduction, if there is any one else out there with one of these grenades that would like a reproduction fuse, let me know, because the more we make, the cheaper they will be.
Bes twihses
Gus
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Hi Gustaf,

A very interesting grenade; actually the study and collecting of antique military ordnance is a side hobby of mine as well as a big part of my line of work. I would be interested in seeing a couple of other pictures of your Turk grenade from another side or two and a shot of the fuze-well, if you wouldn't mind. Is the fuze of a standard friction ignition type? I'll look this one up in our pubs tomorrow at work. Thank you for showing it!

Semper Fi,

Bryan.
 
Hey Bryan,
I can not find my photo files at this time, I will get photos of it later today and post them, there is a fello in the Netherlands who has one whe a reproduction fuse (I have a friend making me a couple now), as far as I can tell, it was either a friction, percussion or match lit fuse, similar to the Sipe grenade of Italy from the same time period.
Gus
 
Hey Bryan,
I got some shots, but I will start off with a link to a thread on Gunboards that started woth a photo of a grenade that is owned by a fellow in the Netherlands, his has a fuse assembly, but I have learned that it is a reproduction, and the photo is what I am using to have one made.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=48705
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The fuse well is about 25 mm in diameter and has 1.75 thread pitch as near as we can measure due to damage to the grenade. I had a bit of difficulty with the machinest, his first remark was, do you want me to sandblast it? I told him no, then he looked at the threads and said, wewill have to run a tap through these threads! I told him that I would make the fuse fit the grenade, not make the grenade fit the fuse. Then his brother came in the office, and his comments were the same, so I did not leave the grenade. The grenade measures 95mm tall, 72mm diameter at the thickest point and a fairly uniform wall thickness of about 8mm
Bes twihses
Gus
 
Thanks Gus,

Great photos. I will forward them to my military email account at work and see what I can come up with from our publications on Monday.

Do you collect antique military ordnance/grenades? I have a fairly well written pamphlet on German stick grenades of WWI that I picked up several years ago. I'll dig it up and send you a copy if you are interested.

Semper Fi,

Bryan.
 
Hey Bryan,
I am a biginner in collecting grenades, my French examples are posted here under the title green eggs and ham, I would be very interesed in any information you could pass on. My budget limits what I can add to my collection, and I am spending a big part of that budget driving back east in a few days to attend SOS in Kentucky, but the friendships are worth far more, as they are the only things that one can take with them.
Best wishes
Gus
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1. French m1847 grenade fuse lit with match
2. French Citron defensive grenade fuse has percussion igniter
3. French F2 defensive percussion grenade
4. French F2 defensive automatic fuse grenade
5. French OF1 ofensive grenade with automatic fuse
6. Itallian Sipe defensive grenade, I believe this had a match type fuse
7. British Batye defensive grenade, fuse lit with match or cigar, Belgian made
8. German M1915 Kugel defensive grenade, friction fuse
9. German m1913 Kugel defensive grenade, friction fuse
10.-12 German Eier grenades, these are fragmentation, but were used mostly for assault due to the small size, they were easy to carry, and were not effective in stopping an attacker
13. German M1915 Discus offensive grenade, there was a similar discus grenade the M1913 that was a fragmentation grenade, these both were percussion activated grenades , the firing pins (ther were 4) would be disabled by centrifigul force when the grenade was thrown with a spinning action, that same action woutl expell the asfety, and in theory, it would explode when it hit.
14. Mauser T-Geweher round
15. 16. German M1917 offensive grenades, these have friction fuses that are activated by removing the cap at the base of the handle and pulling the ball.
17. Austrian Zeitzunder grenade, a defensive grenade with a fuse lit by a match
 
Very cool Gus.

We have most of the examples you have here mounted to display boards where I work. I haven't forgotten about you. Work has been hectic and I'm recovering from rotator cup surgery in my right shoulder. I'll get on this soon.

Semper Fi,

Bryan.
 
Time for an update, as I found a few items at SOS, two balls, a testicle, a rod, a lantern, a hairbrush, an egg and part of a Mills and part of a Kugle.
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1. Austrian Zeitzunder grenade, a defensive grenade with a fuse lit by a match
2. Turkish No2 infantry grenade
3. German M1915 Kugel grenade fragments
4. German M1915 Discushandgranate
5. German M1915 Kugel grenade, friction fuse
6. German m1913 Kugel grenade, friction fuse
7. Mauser T-Geweher round
8. German flechette
9. German Eier grenade with transit plug
10. German Eier grenade with standard friction fuse
11. German Eier grenade with friction fuse
12. German Eier grenade with M1917 friction fuse
13. German Stielhandgranate M1917
14. German Stielhandgranate M1916
15. German 1914 rifle grenade with transit plug
16. British Batye defensive grenade, fuse lit with match or cigar, Belgian made
17. British No 34 MkIII
18. British Mills bomb fragment with spoon in place, and base plug
19. Italian Sipe defensive grenade, I believe this had a match type fuse
20. Russian M1912 grenade, above the grenade is a fragmentation plate removed from this grenade
21. French m1847 grenade with 1882 friction fuse
22. French m1914 bracelet ball grenade
23. French OF1 ofensive grenade with automatic fuse
24. French F2 defensive automatic fuse grenade
25. French F2 defensive percussion grenade
26. French Citron defensive grenade fuse has percussion igniter
27. French Pétard Raquette
28. French VB discharge cup (relic)
 
Geez Gus,

These are some fantastic examples of some very difficult to find items. I mailed that little article on German stick grenades to you. Hopefully it has some info that will assist you in your quest for completion of your collection. Good luck!

Bryan.
 
Hey Bryan,
The info arrived, I sent an e-mail to your home. The more I learn, the more expensive it gets, as I have but a small cross section of WWI grenades, My wife has figured out that I am a grenade collector, in spite of the incident on the Canadian boarder.
Gus
 
The fragmentation plate from the Russian M1912 does not show up very well in the above photo, here is a larger photo, showing the frag plate, there are four of thes soldered to the inside of the box of the grenade, this is a very complex grenade, that held about 600 grams of dynamite, and it had to es soldered shut with the charge in place. The frangmentation segments are ¼ vershok in size, and this type of fragmentation is common in early Russian grenades.
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Hey Gus,

That's actually a pretty interesting and complex grenade you have there. I'm very surprised that it would be soldered after filling with dynamite rather than utilizing a filler hole though. I would hate to be the guy on the factory floor with that job! I assume that it has a hole for insertion of the detonator? Or is the cap placed resting on the side when preparing it for arming? I will need to look this one up at work when I get in on Monday morning. Very cool.

The frag sleeve is interesting. I've taken apart a lot of old Soviet vintage ordnance in Iraq and I've seen the use of this "waffle" pattern frag used in a lot of different ordnance items. A couple of examples would be the RG-42 frag grenade (tin can looking-not exactly the same kind of frag, but close) and the 122mm rocket frag warhead. It's actually easy to tell when one of the 122s has been used against your vehicle as an IED because of the little pieces of waffle/diamond shaped pieces of frag that get left over stuck in the side. Effective.

Please post other grenades as you get them. I find them very interesting. I own a few inert examples of the WWI grenades you have posted, but your collection so far exceeds mine. There are some neat examples that we have at my EOD shop that I will take some pictures of and post later in the week. Some cool WWI vintage machine guns that we have custody of at my shop as well that I will post. It's good talking to you again, and thanks for the email.

Semper Fi,

Bryan.
 
Hey Bryan,
The detonator and fuse are assembled in the field,
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On the left, you can see the fuse assembly removed with the hole in the top of the grenade body having a well to insert the detonator, then the fuse assembly is placed on the top of the detonator and in line with the firing mechanism, and held in place with the wire bail, this is really a cool tinker toy:)
Gus
ps I woul guess that the detonator is connected to the fuse assembly.
Also, there would be little worry of detonation while soldering the grenade together, but I would bet that the fumes would cause a great head ache.
 
Just a quick update on the Turkish grenade, I have seen a photo for an original with the fuse, I will see if I can get a copy to post here, I am in the process of getting some repro fuses made for the Turk grenades.
Gus
 
Hello

@ Gustav did you made some repro fuzes?
Are this repro fuzes solid or made very close to the original with
a hollow tube like the original fuze tube.
I can possibly get for another collector the upper part of a original
fuze unfortunately without bolt thread for srcewing it in and so I could
bring the repro and the part of the original together but therefore I
need something like a good repro fuze,because I'm not very gifted
in crafting anything,especially I don't know anybody who owns a lathe
or could work with a lathe.

And the rust,is there any other possiblity as to buy expensive derusting
and rust transducing chemicals to remove the rust without srcatching
or damaging the rusty piece more as necessary???

If there are repro fuzes avaliable,I would like to know where to get
and what price they have.

Thanks!
MfG

Here is my No.2,

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Hello MFG

I have some fuses available, they are turned from solid bras with a hole through the center.
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Here is my grenade shown with a fuse fitted, and another fuse, they are a bit expensive, as they cost me $40 to have made, I am willing to sell them for $40 + shipping.
As for cleaning your grenade, if it was mine, it think I would use a solvent (petrolium distilate, light oil or even gasoline) with some light scrubbing with a brush (I would not use a steel bristle brush, maybe brass, but I think a nylon bristle would do great) There is a product available in the US called Osphor, it is phosphoric acid, and it will clean rust very nicely, leaving a grey finish, but I think this would be a bit too much for such a nice grenade.
Bes twihses
Gus
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Thnx for the quick reply!

I will use your repro fuze offer next month,I will mail you.

Thank you for the hint how to clean,I heard vinegar should help
to remove the rust,has anybody here in Forum any experiences
with removing rust from rusty collector pieces with vingar???

Thanks!

MfG
 
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