Württemberg or Baden army uniform 1850 - 1860

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seamike

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Hello all,

I have this painted photograph. Supposedly, it was taken during 1850 - 1856, and supposedly it was painted by the person on this photo himself - so can think that uniform is real. The person on this photograph was said to serve in either Württemberg or Baden army.

My questions are:
-is it possible to identify from his uniform whether it is Württemberg or Baden Army.
-does the look of uniform correspond to the uniforms of that period 1850-1856
-the rank of the person

Thanks,
Michael
 
Mike,

Welcome! If those dates are true it would be hard-pressed to be Wurt. There was so much interchange between Prussia and militarily since 1848 I would suggest there however, this is a rough picture. Prior to 1866 Wurt primarily used a different hat.

ps3354 by joerookery, on Flickr
 
Hi Joe,

thank you for reply.

Person in question was born in 1827 and in 1857 emigrated to the USA. So his service years were sometime between 1845 and 1857.
Besides, family legend says that he also served in the French Foreign legion at the beginning of 1850'.
So not sure, whether this "colored" photo in German unimorm was taken during 1845-1850, or 1853 - 1857.

Don't you think that hat on the colored photo could be this one, "1854".
Image taken from "Geschichte des Württembergischen Kriegswesens von der Frühesten bis zur neuesten Zeit", Stuttgart, 1856.

The colors of uniform - do they correspond to colors of Württembergischen uniform of that period, and what rank could it be - does cuffs and stand collar mean anything?

Mike
 
Mike,

No I do not think that it looks like this hat. The colors and cut look more like Baden or Prussia. He is enlisted but you cannot tell exactly what rank probably just a private. The stuff on the collars are called Litzen. Ostensibly for elite units but it is just not clear enough in this case. The hat is a Pickelhaube but it seems like a later version than the 1842. Again this is not very exact.
 
To me the uniform appears to be for the Badisches Leib-Grenadier-Regt. correct cuffs and collar as well as white shoulder straps with a red (crown) dot in the center. From the shape of the helmet I would think this would be around the early 1850's (First Schleswig War?).
 
Joe,

>The hat is a Pickelhaube but it seems like a later version than the 1842

Doesn't it look like a schapo? The golden edging of the top let me think so. Pickelhaube from this angle would look little bit different - without this edging. On the other hand - quality of drawing is far from professional.

aicusv

Thanks for your suggestion, will try to search in this direction.
 
I have mentioned that this person also served in the French Legion - as family legend says.

Maybe you would be interested - here is a picture (this time not photo) supposedly of him. The uniform looks like the uniform of the Foreign Legion of this period. On the back of the picture it is inscribed "1852, Lambessa"
Lambessa is Lambaesis or Lambèze as French call this place, the place in Algeria, ex-camp of Roman third legion. In 1851-1852 2nd Battalion of the Foreign Legion under command of Colonel Jean-Luc Carbuccia came to this place for archaeological excavations.

So, in 1852 this person was in Africa.

aicusv -
If the uniform on the first image is of 1. Badisches Leib-Grenadier-Regt. 109 - then it seems that after Baden revolution 1848-1849 when 1. Bad. Leib-Gren.-Rgt Nr. 109 was disbanded (except Ist Battalion) this man joined Foreigh Legion in Algeria.
 
Does anyone have a photo of a Baden helmet of the period, they can post? Looking at the image - it does appear to be a spike helmet, to me at least.
Sounds right about joining the Legion after the reduction of the regiment.
 
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I'm probably being too noncommittal – the real hangup I have on this one is the white color of the belt. It can be explained a lot of ways. Probably your 109 view was both simple and correct. The problem from the other kingdom is that they are cavalry did have spiked helmets but a double-breasted jacket.
 
Baden Infantrymen were wearing white leather equipment until replaced by black per order 25 January 1864. The Baden (1.) Leib-Grenadier-Regiment as it was then known received white Litzen on the collar and cuffs on 20 September 1856.

Regards
Glenn
 
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