M1892 RIR 17 stenciled Cover

Stahlhelm

Stahlhelm

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This is demonstrably my earliest Pickelhaube cover, the earliest stamped date being 1893. It's an early (M1892 ?) pre-war issue cover of the type with front seam, 4 hooks and solid spike. It was Regimentally stenciled to RIR probably in 1914 during Mobilization.



All comments and opinions welcome.



Hans
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It certainly had a long life I love it (y)

Two questions are is the spike portion leather lined? and is it for sale? :D
 
Stahlhelm said:
This is demonstrably my earliest Pickelhaube cover, the earliest stamped date being 1893. It's an early (M1892 ?) pre-war issue cover of the type with front seam, 4 hooks and solid spike. It was Regimentally stenciled to RIR probably in 1914 during Mobilization.
Tous les commentaires et opinions sont les bienvenus.

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I couldn't agree more.
---The first helmet covers with the tip in the same piece of cloth as the rest was the M1892; in 1896 the tip was separated from the helmet cover by strips of cloth.
---The RJR mark actually dates from the setting up of the ‘Young Regiments’ and the ‘Reserve Regiments’ after mobilisation. The proof is in the green colour of the R 17 number painted on the front of the helmet cover. This colour was ordered at the end of August 14 (AKO 15-8-14) to replace the pre-war red.
 
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Phillipe, your cover is a beautiful example. Thank you for showing it.

Thank you all for the positive comments.

Hans
 
CLOVIS 57 said:
I couldn't agree more.
---The first helmet covers with the tip in the same piece of cloth as the rest was the M1892; in 1896 the tip was separated from the helmet cover by strips of cloth.
---The RJR mark actually dates from the setting up of the ‘Young Regiments’ and the ‘Reserve Regiments’ after mobilisation. The proof is in the green colour of the R 17 number painted on the front of the helmet cover. This colour was ordered at the end of August 14 (AKO 15-8-14) to replace the pre-war red.
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Thanks for the detailed information. I was unsure what the designation for the covers were.
 
That uberzug design is totally new to me. Thank you for posting these photos and congratulations on having such an excellent piece of Imperial. History.
 
Original stenciled cover are pretty scarce. Not so much documented on period picts...
Another one that crossed my way for a few months. Big luck for me, because I already owned a perfect shaped M95 Haube, JR45 and matching BA.I. stamped (very last production of early 1915), named to a soldier who was at the II. Ersatz Bataillon JR45 in the fortress of Königsberg (today Kaliningrad) between February and August 1915 . Not easy to find, because this unit essentially fought on the eastern front... Überzug is matching the helmet perfectly.
Überzug is GR3 regimentally stamped, whose both Ersatz Bataillonen also were in the Königsberg stronghold at this same period. However, the original "ghost" of a classic prussian eagle can be seen in the fabric weft of the Überzug. This "ghost" is perfectly matching the helmet Wappen underneath.
Philippe

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A very nice and scarce Uberzug ! A M92 Uberzug which was made until 1897 with the creation of the new modele M97. The latter was created in oder to bring more ventilation with the separation of the spikecover from the rest of the cover and with the presence of a hole for the ventilator of the rear spin.
On the picture, on the right, first rank, a M92 for an artillery unite FAR 66.

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Most of the old M92 were kept and a large part was reused at the Mobilisation, most of them during the first weeks, that explains why the majority is with red numbers (a part seems being used a long after the coming of the M92, especially in the training of the reserve landwehr units during the training during the peace time. That explains why some of them have lots of units marks, especially from reserve units. I saw a M 92 with five differents units marks ). It seems too that the Germans tried to transform M92 models in M97 models like the one, from bay JR 2. The spike cover was cut and sewn as a M97. A hole was done fort the ventilator and a fifth hook was added (the M92 has only 4 hooks). But it is easy to recognize a M92 because the sewing is on the front of the Uberzug, unlike M97 whose sewing are on the sides.

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This Uberzug is the oldest I know till it is dated from 1892.
 
Make no mistake, there are plenty of stencil and freehand paints (green or brown) to choose from. I have lots of photos of covers I've come across. On the other hand, the Août14 ‘reds’ are mostly sewn felt.
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But in fact, when it comes to M92s, which are supposed to come with red felt numbers, green or brown paintwork is rare.
 

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This expanded into an extremely informative and interesting thread. I have never seen a reworked M92 cover before. Fascinating. Thanks to everyone.

Hans
 
CLOVIS 57 said:
Make no mistake, there are plenty of stencil and freehand paints (green or brown) to choose from.
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Cloclo, that´s not my experience 🧐
Period picts of freehand painted Überzug are very seldom, those that were pragmatically made / painted in the field with board resources, not with paint but mostly with the kind of purple ink pencils that the soldiers used to write their Feldpostkarten! I´m not meaning those made with a template in a BA or EB in a homeland garrison ☺️

Philippe
 
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