Company Logo in Visor Cap

Mike H said:
Anyone recognize the maker which used this logo?
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Mike
I do not
It seems to me that some members have in the past
posted information that a logo like that (plastic covered)
Was made after the war
Maybe someone will post about it
That don't mean that the hat is of any
less value.
Steve
 
Hi Mike - I agree with Steve, the celluloud sweat shields are a sure sign of post-war manufacture.

I don't recognize the logo, but "Wetterfest" means weatherproof. Rain and weather protective cap liners were a popular option in the interwar period. The style looks like 1930's - maybe a veteran?
 
Sorry, I don’t know the make too and I don’t know if it the same cap, but on the photo of this link you can see the details a bit better:
Source: https://ww2-militaria-shop.de/ww2-M...cers--Prussia-original-piece.html?language=en
Furthermore, I tried to make the details a little more visible by changing the image settings, which is why the colors are no longer correct. But it seems to be a Griffin who steps through a „J“ (over the lower part)? Maybe information helps to narrow down the possible makers.
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The cap looks to be from the der Stahlhelm which would fit.

Nice condition cap that would go well with the der Stahlhelm pin. (y)
 
KAGGR#1 said:
Very nice
Perhaps made for an officer after the war
Steve
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Hadn't all uniforms moved to feldgrau by this time?

I'm guessing you could have anything made if you had the money and I'm sure many tailors had yards of outdated fabric they would love to get rid of.

I'm guessing it could have been done for a veteran officer to wear to get togethers but by the time these types of liners were being introduced Prussian blue was for the most part History and Feldgrau was the color for the German nation going forward and had been for some time.
 
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Mike H said:
I just found out this logo is an older version for the Alkero company (Albert Kempf).
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Are you saying this type of "plastic" Triangle which appears in the top of visor caps even today was already appearing in caps made pre-1918?

If so, that would be a revelation that would change the way collectors date visors.

Could you please share the reference, I would love to see any new information. Thanks
 
Not what I said. I’ve just provided info as to the company logo being Alkero. The company was founded in 1920 so that settles the question as to the timeframe on this cap. They remain in business today and are a high quality manufacturer. Identifying the logo was a big step forward for me. Here is an example of a current production Heer officer’s cap.
 

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John Josef said:
Hadn't all uniforms moved to feldgrau by this time?

I'm guessing you could have anything made if you had the money and I'm sure many tailors had yards of outdated fabric they would love to get rid of.

I'm guessing it could have been done for a veteran officer to wear to get togethers but by the time these types of liners were being introduced Prussian blue was for the most part History and Feldgrau was the color for the German nation going forward and had been for some time.
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Service uniforms were feldgrau, yes - but a great many of these sorts of pieces in the old peacetime color schemes were made for veterans for decades after the war. I think it was Tony who opined that these aren't the same as "reproductions" really, since they were often made by the same manufacturers with the same materials as before the war. But some modern signs give them away, like the sweat shield.
 
Just trying to make it clear so new collectors looking in are not confused at all a visor cap with this type of "plastic" triangle is not from the days of Imperial Germany,

After 1918 there was a new period in German History, and items produced in that period belong in their proper category.

Many of these manufactures are still in business even today.

It's a bit of a slippery slope to go down especially for collectors of Imperial German items, I guess you can call them anything you like but items made for Veteran's after the collapse of Imperial Germany are certainly not original to the period made items of 1870 to 1918.

The best way to think of it for US based collectors is to compare these visors to hats made for members of the GAR after the Civil War. A period made cap for a union officer brings a certain amount of money from Civil War collectors while a similar cap made post-Civil War for veterans is totally different.

It's really important for collectors to learn how to tell the difference between War time and post war production and manufacturing techniques to help them properly identify items for their collections.

I think we finally got there in the end (y)(y)
 
For an excellent thread, just sent to me by a collector friend (stonemint), on "Verein" caps go here:

1919-1945 Verein Visors

& now for the other end of the spectrum: Pre-WW1 Landwehrverein. Credit: Dragnet Photo Credit: Sarge 08
www.warrelics.eu

Some excellent examples of caps made after 1918 for the veteran market and organizations. Included are some beautiful Pekuro hats.
 
Mike H said:
For an excellent thread, just sent to me by a collector friend (stonemint), on "Verein" caps go here:

1919-1945 Verein Visors

& now for the other end of the spectrum: Pre-WW1 Landwehrverein. Credit: Dragnet Photo Credit: Sarge 08
www.warrelics.eu

Some excellent examples of caps made after 1918 for the veteran market and organizations. Included are some beautiful Pekuro hats.
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Mike
Excellent post with the link
On one of them I saw a D R 10 visor made in Dresden
it has a Saxon Kokard
strange , because it was a Prussian unit
Steve
 
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