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Ritmeester66 said:
I am curious who has bought the Standard of Hr. 15.
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Ritmeester66 said:
Hello

Is it known were the Standard of Hr. 15 went?
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Hello Henk,

I seriously doubt that anyone here on this forum knows who bought it, not even if they were on location at the auction site when the Standard was sold. And obviously Kube will not tell you if you asked him, as he will view the sale as a private business matter and that the buyer will remain anonymous with Herr Kube. The only way the winning bidder could be known, is if the winning bidder was actually sitting and bidding at the auction site, and if someone who was also there at the auction while it was being conducted would happen to know the bidder by recognizing them. If the buyer was on the phone making the winning bid, then you most likely will not discover who purchased it.

Generally speaking, people who have the financial means to be able to purchase something in this price range usually do not boast or brag about their purchase, and they keep very quiet and anonymous about owning such an item. I wish you all the best in this life quest of yours of trying to keep tabs on the location/owner of this Standard. It is a heartbreaking story indeed how this item was apparently stolen and now sold once again.

Best Wishes,

Alan
 
ww1czechlegion said:
I seriously doubt that anyone here on this forum knows who bought it, not even if they were on location at the auction site when the Standard was sold. And obviously Kube will not tell you if you asked him, as he will view the sale as a private business matter and that the buyer will remain anonymous with Herr Kube. The only way the winning bidder could be known, is if the winning bidder was actually sitting and bidding at the auction site, and if someone who was also there at the auction while it was being conducted would happen to know the bidder by recognizing them. If the buyer was on the phone making the winning bid, then you will not discover who purchased it.

Generally speaking, people who have the financial means to be able to purchase something in this price range usually do not boast or brag about their purchase, and they keep very quiet and anonymous about owning such an item. I wish you all the best in this life quest of yours of trying to keep tabs on the location/owner of this Standard. It is a heartbreaking story indeed how this item was apparently stolen and now sold once again.

Best Wishes,

Alan
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Hello Alan,

Thanks for your answer. It is true what you are saying, but i had hooped that the DHM could buy it, but unfortunately they couldn't. I hope to see the Standard and the Muntzenband would be on the Standard pole again with the Sakularspange.

Greetings,

Henk
 
Ritmeester66 said:
Hello Alan,

Thanks for your answer. It is true what you are saying, but i had hooped that the DHM could buy it, but unfortunately they couldn't. I hope to see the Standard and the Muntzenband would be on the Standard pole again with the Sakularspange.

Greetings,

Henk
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Hi Henk,

The DHM is Funded by the Federal Government Commissioner for Culture and the Media. I'm sure if they wanted to buy it, they could have outbid anyone.

It's just too bad IMO they didn't consider it an item of Cultural importance for the German people. I don't want to get started on the current situation in Germany and what is now considered of Cultural importance to the government it could be considered political and that's a no go. :oops:
 
Okay slipping into politics slightly.

I always found it sad that Germans are not allowed to feel proud of their military history because of the Nazi era. Military traditions are important for military units to help foster esprit de corps.

There is a lot of German history outside of the Nazi era that could be honoured. With the Russian aggression and threat to Europe Germany are increasing their armed forces in a big way like many in Europe and German and Poland are staunch allies now. Unimaginable at the end of WWII but time heals all (well most) wounds.

How about celebrating the battle of Waterloo for example like the British do and the Germans used to have as an equivalent to a battle honour as well? I guess that might irk the French though. But a funny story on that.

I served in the 5e Régiment d'artillerie légère du Canada in the Canadian Army and one the the Majors of the unit (a French Canadian) presented a print of the "Quebec" Battery, the British artillery battery that fought at the Plains of Abraham when the British took Quebec City from France and took over New France. Funny looks from some of his fellow French Canadians but generally well received. 5e RALC of course is a Canadian Army unit and wears the same Royal Canadian Artillery Cap Badge as the rest of Canada and "pips and crowns" are also back for officers.

All part of our dual identity.
 
Peter B said:
How about celebrating the battle of Waterloo for example like the British do and the Germans used to have as an equivalent to a battle honour as well? I guess that might irk the French though. But a funny story on that.
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After visiting London, Alphonse Allais, the famous French writer and humorist (1854-1905), wrote: "I don't understand the English! While in France we give our streets names of victories: Wagram, Austerlitz... over there, they give them names of defeats: Trafalgar Square, Waterloo Place..."
 
Peter B said:
I always found it sad that Germans are not allowed to feel proud of their military history because of the Nazi era. Military traditions are important for military units to help foster esprit de corps.
There is a lot of German history outside of the Nazi era that could be honoured. With the Russian aggression and threat to Europe Germany are increasing their armed forces in a big way like many in Europe and German and Poland are staunch allies now. Unimaginable at the end of WWII but time heals all (well most) wounds.
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You are right, Peter, but collective memory is still very different on both sides of the Atlantic. In America, WWII is history. In France there are people scrutinizing every single auction catalogue to spot items displaying a svastika or other related symbols, sue the auction house and force them to remove said objects. Three days ago, Serb minister Stasa Kosarac sent Representative Christian Schmidt a SS helmet along with a letter calling him the 'embodiment of evil". Consciously or not, such symbols remain strong. A result is voluntary oblivion, and avoidance of anything that might revive memories, even remotely.
Let me tell you a story. Years ago, I was invited by my German girlfriend's family for Christmas Eve, in the Koeln region. While everybody was enjoying the party, I spotted old uncle Fritz, seated all by himself, no one talking to him. I went to sit close to him and started a conversation. For some reason we came to talk about WWII. He explained he was a young officer in the Luftwaffe, was taken prisoner and was detained in a KG Lager in Canada for the rest of the war. As I expressed much interest... he started crying! He said I was the only one ever showing interest in his youth and personal history in that period, that his children and grandchildren refused to hear anything about WW2. Then he stood up and disappeared. He returned a little later with a box. In there was his officer cap, collar tabs, and epaulets, along with a black-and-white photo of himself wearing those. He gave everything to me.
This is a mere example that should not be generalized, but it will probably take some more time for the Germans to glorify their pre-WWII military history.
 
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ww1czechlegion said:
Hello Henk,

I seriously doubt that anyone here on this forum knows who bought it, not even if they were on location at the auction site when the Standard was sold. And obviously Kube will not tell you if you asked him, as he will view the sale as a private business matter and that the buyer will remain anonymous with Herr Kube. The only way the winning bidder could be known, is if the winning bidder was actually sitting and bidding at the auction site, and if someone who was also there at the auction while it was being conducted would happen to know the bidder by recognizing them. If the buyer was on the phone making the winning bid, then you most likely will not discover who purchased it.

Generally speaking, people who have the financial means to be able to purchase something in this price range usually do not boast or brag about their purchase, and they keep very quiet and anonymous about owning such an item. I wish you all the best in this life quest of yours of trying to keep tabs on the location/owner of this Standard. It is a heartbreaking story indeed how this item was apparently stolen and now sold once again.

Best Wishes,

Alan
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Kube sold it the 1st time in 1992
H H just sold it a few days ago
I was told it was a phone bidder
I have heard 1 guess as to the buyer was
I will check that story when I have the time
Steve
 
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