1. Badisches Leib-Grenadier-Regt. Nr. 109
- Thread starter Lost Skeleton
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To add to the discussion I'm posting some pics of my 109 plate. I don't know how many different makers there were for this plate, but from the pics I've gathered there appears to be at least 3 or even 4 variations. Mine, for instance, uses the "other" form of starburst; note also green opaque vs. translucent enamel, and screw posts vs. split brads. I'd love to see some more pics posted regardless of where they come from (this is an academic reference site, after all- if someone doesn't want a pic used, they can simply ask for it to be removed). I'd also love to see pics of copies so that we can all stay on our toes...
weirdpyramid
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These has been a great and very informative post. Learning a lot here. I would like to post also a previous post that does relate to this topic:
So I was flipping through some books and looking on some websites when something very small caught my attention.
Question: Are the centerpiece "peaks" of the Baden 109th officer House Order star always green? or are they sometimes blue? or maybe in some cases a combination of the two?.
This particularly rare helmet seems to be a little hard to find references of it in many collectors collections and in reference material. Some books make the call of green peaks and some books dont mention of the color at all other than they were enameled. Most of my reference books seem to show the star order with three green enameled peaks but I have found some with blue with the center peak missing the enamel. In Stubbs book page 74 thru 78 the blue enamel version is showcased and called out as so but as in a way of it being a "particular" example and it is placed on a different helmet. Maybe it is rare in blue enamel? In the book the center "peak" is missing its enamel so its hard to say what color it might have been. Were there three "peaks" of blue or as i have linked below maybe there was two outer blue points and a center green? The website www.derrittmeister.com has a example of this but again missing the center enameled piece, maybe it was blue? I havent found any detailed information on this subject and seem to be at a dead end. Maybe this isnt anything new or anything important but I would like to bring it up and get some opinions on this.
This link shows the House Order star but not in the form of a wappen attachment
http://ka.stadtwiki.net/Datei:Hausorden_der_Treue_031887_fuer_Stadtwiki.jpg
Blue enamel example
http://www.derrittmeister.com/productpages/04544.htm
and your more common green enameled version
http://www.militaria-online.de/cgi-bin/showart.pl?art=158
So I was flipping through some books and looking on some websites when something very small caught my attention.
Question: Are the centerpiece "peaks" of the Baden 109th officer House Order star always green? or are they sometimes blue? or maybe in some cases a combination of the two?.
This particularly rare helmet seems to be a little hard to find references of it in many collectors collections and in reference material. Some books make the call of green peaks and some books dont mention of the color at all other than they were enameled. Most of my reference books seem to show the star order with three green enameled peaks but I have found some with blue with the center peak missing the enamel. In Stubbs book page 74 thru 78 the blue enamel version is showcased and called out as so but as in a way of it being a "particular" example and it is placed on a different helmet. Maybe it is rare in blue enamel? In the book the center "peak" is missing its enamel so its hard to say what color it might have been. Were there three "peaks" of blue or as i have linked below maybe there was two outer blue points and a center green? The website www.derrittmeister.com has a example of this but again missing the center enameled piece, maybe it was blue? I havent found any detailed information on this subject and seem to be at a dead end. Maybe this isnt anything new or anything important but I would like to bring it up and get some opinions on this.
This link shows the House Order star but not in the form of a wappen attachment
http://ka.stadtwiki.net/Datei:Hausorden_der_Treue_031887_fuer_Stadtwiki.jpg
Blue enamel example
http://www.derrittmeister.com/productpages/04544.htm
and your more common green enameled version
http://www.militaria-online.de/cgi-bin/showart.pl?art=158
weirdpyramid
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Arran said:
The copy order star looks identical to the stauffer star auction. I really hope no one gets duped on that helmet.
weirdpyramid
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Arran said:
Great plate! great condition and I love the arched order star!
Lost Skeleton
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Superb example, Arran. Thank you so much for sharing it.
joerookery
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To add to this discussion here are some clips from different catalogs. Most offer only two different styles wrapped around the quality of the star and the metal that was used.
Surprisingly, Wunderlich did not sell this–even an enlisted version! They sold everything else.
If you remember there were some similar discussions about JR 92 enamel. Here is some information that includes the painting of enamel areas.
Surprisingly, Wunderlich did not sell this–even an enlisted version! They sold everything else.
If you remember there were some similar discussions about JR 92 enamel. Here is some information that includes the painting of enamel areas.