10th Jager battalion plate

" I wish I still had the Garde Ulan OR's wappen with similar posts. I sold it along with the tschapka style vulcan fibre shell that it came with. I think Ron bought it off me on Ebay?? "

Not Ron, but Brad. The bird has posts like the officer plate shown in your post above, although they are silver to match the 1st or 3rd Garde Ulan color.
 
Sorry guys, but just look at the tekst "WATERLOO"... it wobbels all over that ribon and the second "O" seems to be lazy or so :-" ... also no sign at all of guilding inside or outside? I think not one German officer would want that on his Schako [-X ...
The T shaped posts are made to have more strenght because they have more contact with the soldering. This is also missing... These are too many negative signs for me...
Just my two cents of course...
Adler
 
Sorry Brad...its been awhile....perhaps a pic of the bird? Good to know that you still have it. Regarding, the different "grades" of officer wappen and helmets......if you knew you were going to wear it in the field or war zone, covered with an uberzug, why would you take your best parade helme to war? Why not take an economy helme and wappen like mine and keep your frosted high quality one at home. This scenario makes sense providing you have the cash for two helmets. If you can only afford one and that is economy to middle grade then, that's the way it has to be, either way the uberzug hides all. I would venture to say that even in 1900 Adler's shako would tell everyone that this was worn by a man of means or a man whose family had money. I am not a betting man but I would also bet that the uniform, sword and accoutrements that went with that shako were of the highest quality. I do think though, that I have gone way beyond this Ebay shako wappen...my apologies.
 
pointystuff said:
" I wish I still had the Garde Ulan OR's wappen with similar posts. I sold it along with the tschapka style vulcan fibre shell that it came with. I think Ron bought it off me on Ebay?? "

Not Ron, but Brad. The bird has posts like the officer plate shown in your post above, although they are silver to match the 1st or 3rd Garde Ulan color.
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One more Ulan withe the same posts. :)
 
The main differense between Adler's plate and Ebay is that Ebay plate have soldered bandeau, but Adler's not. It is whole piece.
Anyway while won't take in hand this plate won't know about originality. I hope to find out the answer at this question soon.
 
I would venture to say that even in 1900 Adler's shako would tell everyone that this was worn by a man of means or a man whose family had money. I am not a betting man but I would also bet that the uniform, sword and accoutrements that went with that shako were of the highest quality.
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Here he is...



 
Stunning! :lol: Is the crown on your shako front plate voided Adler? I have never seen a 10th Jaegers officer front plate that was a one piece stamping like EM.
 
Yes, the crown is voided and it's indeed strange that the wappen is made in one piece... Also the shoulderboards are strange...
This Schako was already discussed here: http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5251" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adler
 
Joe, I do not see these wappen as post war for 2 reasons.....why a post war OR's Garde ulan wappen (X2)? Why a post war Prussian officer wappen with crown intact? Why would anyone be buying a wappen or complete helme in the 1920's? The fire officer helme I sold recently on Ebay had no crown, it was made that way, not cut off. The screw posts were the usual type The fotos we see of Hindenburg, Ludendorf etc. post war, they are all wearing their old pre war helmets. The question that still hovers in my mind.......why screw posts of this length? It makes no sense.
 
Why would anyone be buying a wappen or complete helme in the 1920's?
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The celebration of the old Army was a going concern. Aging veterans with a lot of disposable income. The film I posted was 1937. The Juncker's catalog that we have is from 1932. Obviously they saw a lot of helmets and other paraphernalia. Lots and lots of pictures of helmets being worn by veterans.

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Ok Joe, I had no clue that such catalogs from the 1930's even existed......you have taught me something there! So, obviously screw post characteristics could have/were changed and now I understand your comments about post war wappen. Excellent ulan wappen Leone!
 
I wonder if CE Junker sold to tourists in the 1920's and 30's? The thought makes my mouth water. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....!

:D Ron
 
b.loree said:
Ok Joe, I had no clue that such catalogs from the 1930's even existed......you have taught me something there! So, obviously screw post characteristics could have/were changed and now I understand your comments about post war wappen. Excellent ulan wappen Leone!
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This is the cover of the 1932 catalog Joe is referring to, Brian:

 
joerookery said:
Aging veterans with a lot of disposable income.
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Are you familiar with the economic ruin of Germany in the 1920s and 1930s? Soldiers and officers were begging on the streets. A loaf of bread was selling for 10 million marks. The reason these catalogs exist in my opinion, is that the companies and shops had literally tons of Imperial German stock. Warehouses and shop Basements stuffed. So of course they are going to try and sell it.
 
Are you familiar with the economic ruin of Germany in the 1920s and 1930s?
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Yes I think I am. John Maynard Keynes wrote a lot about the 1921 through 1923 hyperinflation. Then there was a deflationary period just before the Nazis came to power. So I'm not sure I understand. After 1931 there was a greater amount of income. Maybe I'm being dense ( As usual) but I see hyperinflation time as being removed by a decade from the catalog we are discussing.
 
WWI Collector:
Just a heads up (kindly meant by all means), but Joe is a published author and recognized authority on Imperial Germany and after. His book, co-authored by his wife, 'Great War Dawning' ( http://www.amazon.com/GREAT-DAWNING-Germany-Start-World/dp/3902526653" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) is a must-read. He has also published a copy of the CE Junker Catalog (no mail order or on line orders from Junker these days... sad... ) and has the "Colonel J's" web-site.
If you didn't know all of this, that's understandable, Joe isn't a bragger... that I know of. :wink:

:D Ron
 
poniatowski said:
WWI Collector:
Just a heads up (kindly meant by all means), but Joe is a published author and recognized authority on Imperial Germany and after. His book, co-authored by his wife, 'Great War Dawning' ( http://www.amazon.com/GREAT-DAWNING-Germany-Start-World/dp/3902526653" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) is a must-read. He has also published a copy of the CE Junker Catalog (no mail order or on line orders from Junker these days... sad... ) and has the "Colonel J's" web-site.
If you didn't know all of this, that's understandable, Joe isn't a bragger... that I know of. :wink:

:D Ron
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Thanks for the compliments Ron but all that does not amount to a hill of beans. We did not publish the Juncker catalog but we did another – I'm actually writing on Pickelhaube production and costs so maybe those catalog books will come in handy. I don't know that much about Weimar but it was front and center 1 million years ago when I got my undergraduate degree. Keynesian economics has not fared well in light of recent years. What I don't know and World War I collector brings up a good point is there must have been a massive market for used helmets. I just haven't seen any advertisements for them yet.
 
joerookery said:
poniatowski said:
WWI Collector:
Just a heads up (kindly meant by all means), but Joe is a published author and recognized authority on Imperial Germany and after. His book, co-authored by his wife, 'Great War Dawning' ( http://www.amazon.com/GREAT-DAWNING-Germany-Start-World/dp/3902526653" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) is a must-read. He has also published a copy of the CE Junker Catalog (no mail order or on line orders from Junker these days... sad... ) and has the "Colonel J's" web-site.
If you didn't know all of this, that's understandable, Joe isn't a bragger... that I know of. :wink:

:D Ron
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Thanks for the compliments Ron but all that does not amount to a hill of beans. We did not publish the Juncker catalog but we did another – I'm actually writing on Pickelhaube production and costs so maybe those catalog books will come in handy. I don't know that much about Weimar but it was front and center 1 million years ago when I got my undergraduate degree. Keynesian economics has not fared well in light of recent years. What I don't know and World War I collector brings up a good point is there must have been a massive market for used helmets. I just haven't seen any advertisements for them yet.
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I would bet the tourist market made up a great deal of sales (and trades) during those years. It may have been similar to bringing back a beer stein or football shirt these days.
If your knowledge doesn't amount to a hill of beans, then I have a poppy seed going here. :wink: (I think most would agree no that!)

:D Ron
 
I would bet the tourist market made up a great deal of sales (and trades) during those years.
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I don't know. It had to account for something but anecdotally 6% of the German economy dealt with Pickelhaubes before the war. It would take a lot of sales to keep the industry afloat. So you would have to have very high prices and small quantities or conversely lots of quantity and a more reasonable prices. The only thing I have seen with large numbers are all of these veterans "Vereins" and there were a lot of those. You see all sorts of kitsch for these clubs. Also, every postwar picture I have seen of these clubs has some people wearing Pickelhaube. :-k
 
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