1st Foot Garde Regiment Mitre

KAGGR#1 said:
Correct and thank you
That will save me a trip to locate my H H catalog
Steve
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Hello Steve !
Sorry for hijacking this thread, but I have a question regarding two officer mitre hats in your collection. Could you tell why these tow have different finish around the eagle ?
One on the right looks to have orange enamel versus the other one just textured brass ?
Thank You !
mike
 

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kuligow said:
Hello Steve !
Sorry for hijacking this thread, but I have a question regarding two officer mitre hats in your collection. Could you tell why these tow have different finish around the eagle ?
One on the right looks to have orange enamel versus the other one just textured brass ?
Thank You !
mike
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Mike
I can't tell you for sure
but what I think is maybe 2 different factors
#1 It could be the time frame the miters were made . Remember this style
of miter was first worn by the 1 Garde Regt zu Fuss. When the new silver miters
were issued to the regiment, the miters of the enlisted men were handed down
to GGR 1
#2 If very well could be the firm that supplied the miters to the officers over the years
they would have different styles of the large Garde star applied to the miters
I have talked with other collectors about this same question. Some feel that the enameled
centers were the earlier miter and no enamel for the later made miters
It's a small circle of Officers miters in collections
Maybe others can write what they know
Thanks
Steve
 
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KAGGR#1 said:
Mike
I can't tell you for sure
but what I think is maybe 2 different factors
#1 It could be the time frame the miters were made . Remember this style
of miter was first worn by the 1 Garde Regt zu Fuss. When the new silver miters
were issued to the regiment, the miters of the enlisted men were handed down
to GGR 1
#2 If very well could be the firm that supplied to miters to the officers over the years
they would have different styles of the large Garde star applied to the miters
I have talked with other collectors about this same question. Some feel that the enameled
centers were the earlier miter and no enamel for the later made miters
It's a small circle of Officers miters in collections
Maybe others can write what they know
Thanks
Steve
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Both KAGGR1 / Fusilier Batl officers with different centers
SteveKAGGR 1 2 officers miters.JPG
 
KAGGR#1 said:
Mike
I can't tell you for sure
but what I think is maybe 2 different factors
#1 It could be the time frame the miters were made . Remember this style
of miter was first worn by the 1 Garde Regt zu Fuss. When the new silver miters
were issued to the regiment, the miters of the enlisted men were handed down
to GGR 1
#2 If very well could be the firm that supplied to miters to the officers over the years
they would have different styles of the large Garde star applied to the miters
I have talked with other collectors about this same question. Some feel that the enameled
centers were the earlier miter and no enamel for the later made miters
It's a small circle of Officers miters in collections
Maybe others can write what they know
Thanks
Steve
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Thank You for constructive reply and picture ! fantastic hats ! I wonder if these Garde stars have any manufacturer stamps/engraving at the back, that could maybe shed some light on the "two manufacturers" theory ?
Sincerely, mike
 
kuligow said:
Thank You for constructive reply and picture ! fantastic hats ! I wonder if these Garde stars have any manufacturer stamps/engraving at the back, that could maybe shed some light on the "two manufacturers" theory ?
Sincerely, mike
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At the cost and rarity of the officers miters , I dare not even try to take the Garde star off the body .
A lot to lose and nothing to gain.
Steve
 
KAGGR#1 said:
At the cost and rarity of the officers miters , I dare not even try to take the Garde star off the body .
A lot to lose and nothing to gain.
Steve
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oh, I agree ! It was just a speculation on my part, and hopeful thinking that maybe someone came across loose Garde stars like this. Just like we come across wappen etc.
 
kuligow said:
oh, I agree ! It was just a speculation on my part, and hopeful thinking that maybe someone came across loose Garde stars like this. Just like we come across wappen etc.
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I have never one off the miters
Maybe other members have ?
I have seen collections of front plates like Tony Schnurr has .
Steve
 
KAGGR#1 said:
At the cost and rarity of the officers miters , I dare not even try to take the Garde star off the body .
A lot to lose and nothing to gain.
Steve
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Hoo boy - could not agree more, especially the complicated way those stars were attached.

But I'd have to guess that there were many makers and price points for these privately purchased works of art, with a lot of variation (just like the helmets) based on one's taste and wallet size.
 
Jeff R said:
Hoo boy - could not agree more, especially the complicated way those stars were attached.

But I'd have to guess that there were many makers and price points for these privately purchased works of art, with a lot of variation (just like the helmets) based on one's taste and wallet size.
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A very good question! According to a catalog from 1913 of Deutscher Offiziersverein the price for the KAGGR mitre was 120,- Mark, which would equal roughly 8.000 Euro according to an online converter. A lot of money.

Best wishes,

GardeUlan
 

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GardeUlan said:
A very good question! According to a catalog from 1913 of Deutscher Offiziersverein the price for the KAGGR mitre was 120,- Mark, which would equal roughly 8.000 Euro according to an online converter. A lot of money.

Best wishes,

GardeUlan
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Wow - so they've never been cheap! Especially in the prestige regiments, potential officers had to provide proof of independent income as their salaries barely approached the cost of kitting out properly. You can see why, at these prices...
 
GardeUlan said:
A very good question! According to a catalog from 1913 of Deutscher Offiziersverein the price for the KAGGR mitre was 120,- Mark, which would equal roughly 8.000 Euro according to an online converter. A lot of money.

Best wishes,

GardeUlan
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Interesting information
Thank you for this post
Steve
 
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