7th Hussars

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/151943558267?euid=9ae517b86ef84d49a0a1125afd48d5db&aid=555012&meid=500294e1c686420abe9c8fc8ff351dc6&cp=1&_trksid=p11010.c100353.m3748&_trkparms=aid=555012&algo=PW.MBE&ao=1&asc=20150112095653&meid=500294e1c686420abe9c8fc8ff351dc6&pid=100353&rk=8&rkt=8&sd=291651803487" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Red-brown fur?
:-k
 
Coming from the Great White North I might be able to speak about how fur ages. My dad had a muskrat fur hat that got lighter as it aged, from dark brown to red-brown. I also have a pair of beaded moccasins with beaver trim that also got lighter as they got older. Just like my hair!
 
In my humble opinion, that is a very nice example, I see no problems. Not cheap obviously, but everything seems to be in great condition which with fur is rare.
 
b.loree said:
In my humble opinion, that is a very nice example, I see no problems. Not cheap obviously, but everything seems to be in great condition which with fur is rare.
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I have to agree, though I know little about these. The gilding on the wappen looks very nice indeed.

:D Ron
 
Tarquin said:
.... got lighter as they got older. Just like my hair!
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Sir, leave your armpits out of this. :wink:
Sorry, couldn't resist. We've been talking about Groucho Marx's humor.

:D Ron
 
He also has this one for sale:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-SAXONY-LEIB-GRENADIER-REGIMENT-PICKLEHAUBE-SPIKE-HELMET-/151943541759?hash=item23608a73ff:g:V8cAAOSwYIhWj-lY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:D Ron
 
poniatowski said:
He also has this one for sale:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-SAXONY-LEIB-GRENADIER-REGIMENT-PICKLEHAUBE-SPIKE-HELMET-/151943541759?hash=item23608a73ff:g:V8cAAOSwYIhWj-lY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:D Ron
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... which may also be a pioneer helmet.
 
So the lack of black fur simply comes down to a matter of privately-purchased busbies being allowed some leeway in color + age fading, then?
 
Some comments on the JR 100:
Reichs kokarde repainted, Rear visor shows marks along the rim which indicates that it comes from a fireman helmet....one with silver trim both on both visors. The trim has obviously been removed but still left these marks. The front visor trim is also ill fitting, there are lines in the finish above the present trim caused by the original silber trim. In addition, there seems to be an extra hole on the left side of the shell where the original tim brad went through. There is also a suspicious line in the finish beside the rear spine. Normally, the edges of the spine create these and they are directly in line, not beside the spine. There also seems to be a suspicious depression at the top of the spine between the edge of the spike base. This would suggest the presence of the fireman comb, at one time shown in another of my Ebay posts.
So in summary... kokarde repainted, rear visor not original (fireman), front visor trim not original (lines in the finish, extra hole in shell), there is also the possibility that both visors came from a fire helme but more probably, a spare piece of silber trim was put on after the original snapped. One look at the inside stitch line and I could tell for sure if the front visor is original to the helmet. Rear spine possibly not original to the helmet. The whole piece, could be a fireman helme "conversion". Anyway.... :thumbsdown:
 
b.loree said:
Some comments on the JR 100: Rear visor shows marks along the rim which indicates that it comes from a fireman helmet....one with silver trim both on both visors. The trim has obviously been removed but still left these marks. The front visor trim is also ill fitting, there are lines in the finish above the present trim caused by the original silber trim. In addition, there seems to be an extra hole on the left side of the shell where the original tim brad went through. So in summary...rear visor not original (fireman), front visor trim not original (lines in the finish, extra hole in shell), there is also the possibility that both visors came from a fire helme but more probably, a spare piece of silber trim was put on after the original snapped. One look at the inside stitch line and I could tell for sure if the front visor is original to the helmet. Anyway.... :thumbsdown:
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Yup, which makes me wonder if one bad apple... (I still like the wappen on the Hussar, but know nothing about them)

:D Ron
 
those stipes patern on visors i have never seen before so my gues is
i would not buy it
first impression says it al

jonas
 
Regarding the busby....the fur is otter, not seal as he states. Looking at the scales, I see pitting which would indicate usually that they were "dug". The Latvian dug hardware, including scales are always pitted from being in the earth. I have cleaned dozens of sets of chin scales, they all have various shades of brown patina/oxidization, but they are not pitted. A foto of the back of the scales would tell the tale because then we could see if they have been rebuilt. FYI.... Otter and opossum were private purchase, seal is govt issue. The interior, liner and feldzeichen are typical OR's govt issue but we know that with private purchase, there are all sorts of variations which depended upon price options.
 
Pairing the typical depot-style liner with the otter fur must not have been common, surely.
The more I "know," the less I know. :???:
 
I really need to get the French reference book on Hussar Busbies. Tony has it and I got into reading it when I was at his house. I have been hoping that it would show up at the SOS so I don't have to pay postage. Perhaps this year??
 
Am I to suspicious or am I right, but imo the Pelzmutze is an aged reproduction :twisted: ... I see different things that aren't the way they should be:

- Chinscales look a lot like the indian fakes.
- Difference in condition of the chinscales (very dull) and the chinscale posts (very glossy).
- Liner is unused, yet has a lot of wear, but on the wrong places.
- Metal grommets in the eyelets for a draw string in the tips of the liner "triangles"?
- The fur doesn't have a natural look as still can be expected from otter fur.
- The inside has this look of being sprayed with "aging dust" and then the lid was wiped clean but still leaving some "old dirt"...
- Red bag looks very poorly made and is reproduction.
- Feldzeichen also looks odd to me.
- Helmet plate looks like an original officer's model, the rest is NCO.
- Comparing the worn leather and the brandnew fur is the biggest red flag for me.

Of course that's only my humble opinion on this Pelzmutze, when I'm wrong, please let us know... I think everything about the pickelhaube already has been said :-" ...

Here are a few (old) pics of original Pelzmutzen to compare the otter and the inside... You can also have a look at Tony's site and compare with his marvelous originals...

Adler

Brown otter fur


Other brown otter


Inside
 
The Book is called "Les hussards allemands et leurs colbacks 1808-1918" by Eric Montant, Alex Ilhat et Eric Jousset. Sold by De Bell Collections I believe.

Great book with detailed pics up close etc.

James
 
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