A not so often seen one year volunteer

joerookery

joerookery

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I have had some fun today with this.
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look at the spike
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this is an excerpt from the Neumann catalog
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Colonel Ron gave us these two pictures awhile ago.
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Let's see the first JzP regiments were formed in 1905. (Another date point for the Neumann catalog) ---- so I will leave this for everyone else to comment on if anyone else cares.
 
Joe,

I should probably keep my mouth shut, since I'm one of the least knowledgable people here, but isn't that a Kürassier style helm, not a Jäger zu Pferde one, and a line infantry type wappen on the helmet? And isn't that an infantry style spike instead of the Jäger zu Pferde type?

The cross belt across his chest definitely looks like a Jäger zu Pferde belt, not a Kürassier (at least according to what I just saw on Kaiser's Bunker).

I'm confused! :-k
 
Joe: Very nice photo although I think we need to back up in time just a bit. I believe this young fellow is a Meldreiter from one of the Jaeger zu Pherde squadrons that were first formed in 1895. The JzP sruadron from the first army corps wore a line eagle front plate. Beginning in 1901 the JzP squadrons were reformed into regiments. The first regimental sized unit was the Kings Jaeger zu pherde Regiment number 1, raised in 1901 and garrisoned in Posen.

There is a photo of a meldreiter enlisted helmet with the line plate in volume 2 of Larcade, page 76. Volume 2 of Pietsch also goes into some detail on the Meldreiters.

Reservist1
 
I should probably keep my mouth shut
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not in my opinion!!!! One of the things I love about this forum is the ability to show and tell and learn something. If we can't discuss it with each other who am I going to show my picture to? Who am I going to discuss my questions with? The dog?
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I do not know anybody on this forum, who is not knowledgeable-- but this is a little confusing. Sort of a trick picture. I not want to be in a position of ruling ex cathedra about what this is. Sort of the joy of the hunt. You have scored well Pilgrim! Now the key to the puzzle is the year 1905. Plus what I think is right I will probably find out is somewhat wrong. That is my hint. Remember the last quiz thing I had every one threw rocks at me! For your viewing pleasure. I will put this picture back up just to confuse you more. :spam1:
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R1 we posted at the same moment! See I am Learning something. Where I have stumbled in research is in the formation dates. I need to look at Pietsch around the 1901 date. In my defense, Your Honor, if you look at the properties of the picture you see I named it right. But I am not down to the detail yet of regimental formation dates and working through the one year volunteer thing. Most people don't realize there is anything prior to JzP. So I thought this would be a great little discussion. Thanks for pointer. :grommit: Looks like it made you look too!
 
reservist1 said:
Beginning in 1901 the JzP squadrons were reformed into regiments. The first regimental sized unit was the Kings Jaeger zu pherde Regiment number 1, raised in 1901 and garrisoned in Posen.
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Here is my page on JzP helmets, http://www.kaisersbunker.com/pt/JzP_helme.htm I had 1905 as the date when they were formed into regts...... must hit the books tomorrow to see if this is correct or not. If it is 1901 as you said R1, I'll change the page chop chop.
 
Tony: The 1905 date for reorganization of JzP units into regimental size units is correct. I mis read part of Pietsch trying to wade through all the JzP renaming that went on between 1895 and 1905. In 1895 they were Meldreiter, In 1897 they were called JzP detachments, in 1899 the name was changed to JzP squadrons and in 1901 the names were again changed by adding numbers to the squadron names. Somewhere while shifting between Pietsch & Larcade I lost sight of the fact that they were still talking about squadron size units in 1901 and not regimental size units. Sorry for the confusion. :oops:

Reservist1
 
Tony & Kaiser said:
I had 1905 as the date when they were formed into regts...... must hit the books tomorrow to see if this is correct or not. If it is 1901 as you said R1, I'll change the page chop chop.
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According to the info on this web site (which, I guess could be incorrect) http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~maampo/militaer/milindex.html the first three Jäger zu Pferde regiments were formed on October 1, 1905.
 
joerookery said:
Who am I going to discuss my questions with? The dog?
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I do not know anybody on this forum, who is not knowledgeable
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Joe,

In my case, the dog may have better answers! :lol:
 
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