Alte Helme Zimmer Collection, Continued

b.loree

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A continuing look at pieces from the collection of one of our long time collectors and a new member here on the forum. AHZ has not mastered the photo post yet, so I am putting these up for him with his descriptions:
Garde Musician Officer with trichter:



This Garde Off. helm came with this broadside folded up inside the liner ( to make a better fit???)
The Berliner Tageblatt offering is for the last quarter of 1914-- the last 10 days of September are free.
Thus the helm was probably used about that time. (did the owner ever come back to wear it again?)
The maps show the West Front ,The East Front and the See krieg.



 
Personally, I have encountered the "folded newspaper" approach before. In my case, a fire officer helmet with silver fittings from the Rhineland area (wappen) which had a local miner's paper folded and stuffed up behind the officer sweatband. Unfortunately, there was no date on the newspaper.
 
Nice looking helmet especially the trichter which makes it just more stunning to look at or even owning it

Jonas
 
Very nice! My Prussian Infantry Officer helmet came with newspaper folded in the liner, three pages worth from 1916. Our German language teacher here and English teacher in our exchange city was very happy to get photo copies. Interesting stuff to be sure.

:D Ron
 
Brian,

Garde Musician Officer with trichter:
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I don't believe it can be attributed to a "Musician Officer" as no such beast existed. The only quasi commissioned types were the two inspectors of army music who ranked as military officials and were clothed accordingly albeit with some specific musician insignia. The helmet had a golden Prussian line eagle, small silver "Beamten" eagle plus device band and FR. As with the Garde-Ulanen helmet with the red plume, if the plume is original to the helmet, I would speculate that it is an unauthorized upgrade of a Musikmeister's helmet?

Regards
Glenn
 
Thank you Glenn, I did not see the small Beamte eagle due to the picture provided. I will leave it to AHZ to respond, as this is not part of my collection. Still, I have never seen a Garde Officer wappen with the Beamte eagle on it. So, does this mean, that the Garde had it's own Administrative bureaucracy separate from the regular line infantry beamte organization??
 
Still, I have never seen a Garde Officer wappen with the Beamte eagle on it. So, does this mean, that the Garde had it's own Administrative bureaucracy separate from the regular line infantry beamte organization??
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I think we are at crossed purposes. The helmet I am describing with a Beamten eagle is what an Musikinspizient would wear. The helmet posted in this thread has no Beamten characteristics; it appears to be just a Guards infantry officer, albeit with a red plume. And no, the Garde did not have it's own administrative bureaucracy.

Regards
Glenn
 
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