American Pickelhaube??

These helmets seem to be gray.
The shape is hard to see due to the plumes, though.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9504/cadetesescoltadebanderapi4.jpg
 
pointystuff said:
Is the Venezuelan helmet in figure 18 shaped like a typical Prussian Pickelhaube, or is it shaped like the one seen in this link
http://www.banghaus.com/perl/antik/extern/klassische_auktion.cgi?lot=97979&pagenr=3&suchtyp=8&franchise_nr=7&auktion_nr=196&aktion=detail
http://www.adeqhistorical.com/images/mc_amp_h_vol_60_no_2_alex_9.jpg
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The helmet I have is on a prussian style form with its distinctive front and rear visor. The helmet variant you have pictured is based more on the body commonly used as sun helmets or even as English dress helmets. Haven't seen this type used except for the Uruguayan National Police in the early 1900s (got one in the collection). That one is black tarred cloth over cork and comes with a set of a spike base and ventilator top.
 
Just uploaded another image to the article of a San Francisco militia officer with a pickelhaube, circa 1875. You can view it at http://www.adeqhistorical.com/images/mc_amp_h_vol_60_no_2_alex_9.jpg

Enjoy!
Alex
 
That's neat.
Is there a list on the site that matches up to the numbers by the items in this photo?
http://www.adeqhistorical.com/images/29729_1276495432509_1233661941_30642799_7803574_n.jpg
 
Here's a reprint of the exhibit title, notes and titles of my pickelhauben display held at the 2010 annual meeting of The Company of Military Historians:


THE PRUSSIANIZATION OF THE AMERICAS: A STUDY OF GERMAN INFLUENCED HEADGEAR OF NORTH, CENTRAL, AND SOUTH AMERICA.
PRESENTED BY
ALEJANDRO “ALEX” DE QUESADA



ABOUT THE VIDEOS BEING PLAYED

GRAN PARADA MILITAR IS AN ANNUAL MILITARY PARADE OF THE CHILEAN ARMED FORCES EVERY 19 SEPTEMBER. THE VIDEO, TAKEN IN 2008, SHOWS THE HEAVY PRUSSIAN INFLUENCE UPON THE UNIFORMS, SMALL ARMS, AND TRADITIONS OF THE CHILEAN MILITARY. OF PARTICULIAR INTEREST IS THE ADOPTATION OF THE “GOOSE-STEP” MARCH TO THE TUNE OF IMPERIAL GERMAN MARTIAL MUSIC.






IDENTIFICATION OF PICKELHAUBEN DISPLAYED
Prussian Model 1842 Pickelhaube that influenced subsequent helmets around the world and continues to do so to this day.
2. Chile - Early version used by the Escuela Militar, circa 1900
3. Chile - Current version used by the Escuela Militar. White Horse Hair plume: Cadets/Instructors - Red Horse Hair plume: Band - White Feather plume: Director of the Escuela Militar.
4. Chile.
5. Venezuela.
6. Uruguay.
7. Uruguay - Locally made version for the police.
8. Colombia - Presidential Guard.
9. Colombia - Cadet of the National Police Academy.
10. Argentina - circa 1910.
11. Ecuador.
Mexico - Attributed to the Zatacacas Regiment, circa 1910.
Mexico - with original traveling case.
Mexico - with black feather plumes.
USA - Essex Troop, New Jersey, circa 1890.
USA - New York Militia.
USA - Rhode Island Light Artillery.
USA - Unattributed, possible New York Militia usage.
USA - All metal variant with parts assembled from a US Army M1881 Dress Helmet, possibly militia, fraternal, and school usage.
USA - Czapka based on those used by German and Polish lancers (Uhlans).
OTHER HEADGEAR OF GERMAN INFLUENCE OR ORIGIN
Germany - Model 1918 Steel Helmet of the type used by Colombian Troops during their war with Peru in the 1930s.
Germany - German made fiber parade helmet for the Chilean Army that was introduced in 1938. Based on the German Model 1935 Steel Helmet. The German Volunteer Fire Fighting Units in Chile still use the Model 1934 German Civil/Fireman’s Helmet of metal.
Chile - Various versions of Parade Helmets that are based on the German helmet and locally manufactured.
Argentinian Parade Helmet that is based on the German Model 1935 Steel Helmet. Due the outbreak of WW2, the Argentinians purchased large numbers of the Swiss Model 1918 Steel Helmets when the German helmets were no longer available.
Chilean Officer’s/Cadet Cap from the Escuela Militar that is closely based on the Imperial German Pre-WW1 Service Cap.


For some reason some of the numbers did not appear when I pasted and copied the info unto this reply. Hope you'll find it useful.
Alex
 
Yes, very useful indeed.
Thanks.

I made contact with a gentleman a couple of years ago who access to brass parts from the modern supplier to the army in Chile.
I don't know whether or not the company survived the earthquakes, though.
 
Does your Colombian Presidential Garde helmet have the color sections like this one?
http://www.terra.com.co/addon/img/actualidad/ElBat8661bbe8a8elbat866g.jpg

These fellows seem to be wearing Pickelhauben, too...
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9279/002054sds4554.jpg
 
To the previous question, the helmets and accessories are sold through the cadet store at the Escuela Militar in Santiago, Chile. There is a supplier in Santiago as well that caters to the military. The pickelhauben, plates, belt buckles, gorgets, swords, etc. are still being made by various manufacturers in Germany. Heck, they're still using the MG42 (MG3) Machine Gun and Leopard Tanks! If its German - the Chileans will still buy them. One of the few German style items they manufacture themselves is the fiber/plastic version of the stahlhelm.
 
kaiserschutztruppen said:
One of the few German style items they manufacture themselves is the fiber/plastic version of the stahlhelm.
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I have one of those. I think they stopped making them about a decade or so ago. And the Chileans still use the Luftwaffe Eagle but with the star instead of swastika.
 
Actually the stahlhelm style fiber/plastic helmets are still being made for the Chilean armed forces for parades, I purchased the latest style still in the wrapper with a manufacturer's date of 2009 while in Santiago. In addition I believe the Chileans also manufactures the same helmet for the Bolivian army for parades as well. Working on an article on these for the journal of The Company of Military Historians. Hope this tidbit helps.
Alex
 
kaiserschutztruppen said:
Actually the stahlhelm style fiber/plastic helmets are still being made for the Chilean armed forces for parades, I purchased the latest style still in the wrapper with a manufacturer's date of 2009 while in Santiago. In addition I believe the Chileans also manufactures the same helmet for the Bolivian army for parades as well. Working on an article on these for the journal of The Company of Military Historians. Hope this tidbit helps.
Alex
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Good to know. Do the Bolivian ones feature a Bolivian insignia on the side (not that they would have the Chilean one of course). Just very curious about these South American items.
 
kaiserschutztruppen said:
Yes, a decal showing the Bolivian colors on the side and the rank on the front. I have a few images showing the helmets and decals.
Alex
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Thank you again Alex. This follows my research that the various caps were only made by one or two makers, most likely in Argentina and supplied to other South American nations. Argentina also made most of the sun helmets used by many South American nations. It seems that there is a cottage arms industry and military supply business and they just buy from each other.
 
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