Ancestor's Pickelhaube

beanbomb

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This is the Pickelhaube worn by my great great grandfather Konrad Stahl. Im trying to find out as much as I can about him, including his helmet. I know nothing about it, so hopefully someone here does. Any info on this Pickelhaube is greatly appreciated, as well as any tips on storing it.

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What a beautiful piece and an equally beautiful memory! I love it when such a rather unique situation existst: the preserved Pickelhaube of an actual ancestor! I hope you'll find out a lot of additional information!
 
Nice! Do you happen to know what regiment or at least city / town he was from? That would be a good starting point, aside from the name you provided.
It's a beautiful helmet. If it were mine, I'd take a dry soft brush and work around the plate a bit to get rid of the dust and such around the tail feathers. Might have to use stiffer bristles, but be careful. Better to remove too little than too much! I'd leave it all together and not take it apart at all.
Does the spike detach at all? Is it threaded? Again, take care!


:D Ron
 
I can't tell if the crown is voided or not .

He was either a high ranking Sgt or a One Year Volunteer OYV

I personaly can not tell from the uniform pic .

I do not see any collar tabs .

Cool that it is still in the family.
 
I think your assessment of NCO or OYV is correct. No star studs and it doesn't look like a voided crown (although I can't tell for sure either). Certainly a man who cared about his appearance and headgear. I can identify with that.

:D Ron
 
I would suggest that this soldier was a Fähnrich or an Unteroffiziere mit Portepee. OYV's were not automatically authorized to wear officer Kokarden or a Portapee. This soldier has both. OYV's becoming Officer Aspirants was, I believe, actually quite rare.
Just my thoughts,

John :)
 
SkipperJohn said:
I would suggest that this soldier was a Fähnrich or an Unteroffiziere mit Portepee. OYV's were not automatically authorized to wear officer Kokarden or a Portapee. This soldier has both. OYV's becoming Officer Aspirants was, I believe, actually quite rare.
Just my thoughts,

John :)
I agree..would also say that he was an „Unteroffiziere mit Portepee“.
 
A bit of information on the helmet itself: It is a private purchase Prussian infantry officer style helmet. Your ancestor bought this helmet himself, it was not issued to him by the government. It is infantry due to the flat chin scales, mounted troops have curved scales. It has the officer silk and calf skin liner. The serrated discs on each side of the helmet are called cockardes/ cockades. These are the officer style 2 piece construction, a silver ring fastened to a painted metal disc. The colours of the disc have significance, the black and white are the state colours of Prussia. This cockade is always on the left side, left ear of the soldier. Above the right ear we have the Reich’s cockade, red black and white which are the colours of the German Empire. The Reich cockade was not introduced until 1897, so this gives an approximate date for purchase, sometime after this year.
The spike is also officer style with the egg and dart shaped ring around the spike neck. The cone of the spike may unscrew, so that a horse hair parade plume could be put on the helmet for parades. There are 2 characteristics of the helmet which are not officer which account for our members saying your ancestor was an “Unterofficer with Portepee “ . This is a unique German rank.....think senior sargeant entitled to wear an officer sword and sword knot (portepee). You can see that he is quite proud of this from his pose in your photo, that sword and knot are right out front. A true officer helmet would have brass stars holding the spike base, yours has domed studs. The eagle’s crown on the helmet plate would be pierced on an officer helmet. We can’t tell from your pictures. Domed studs and a solid crown are ordinary ranks characteristics which again indicate you ancestor was not quite full officer rank. I hope this helps and that other members can provide more specific information on your relative.
 
A last couple of points...the red and green linings on the inside of the helmet visors are also officer private purchase characteristics. Second, in the picture he is wearing a cloth cover on his helmet called an “uberzug”. This cover was worn to cover up the shiny brass helmet fittings. Last, he is wearing the feldgrau uniform introduced in 1910. This cloth had a grey green colour to it for camouflage purposes.
 
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