any idea about this possible landwher shako?

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Found this old type of shako in an auction sale. Sounds from the Napoleonic wars. Not French. Sounds really like and old Landwher Prussian shako. The shako plate is nice with old type of work on it, not modern reproduction. Presence of old German newspaper inside, gothic style. I didn't remove it to see any dates but sounds for sure old. Any idea? Thanks
 

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The cipher is from Frederick I of Prussia. The crown is also Prussian. The diamond shape of the Wappen is more French than Prussian, but these items were re-worked many times. Looks like an unusual piece. Can you provide photos of the sides and liner?

John :)
 
Thanks a lot for your reply. I found it in France with two old French Napoleonic shako and a type of French dragoons. there were in an old collection in a theater, typical place where such items were kept sometimes from XIXth. here are some additional pictures including the one with the old german newspaper inside. Thanks
 

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jp92 said:
Found this old type of shako in an auction sale. Sounds from the Napoleonic wars. Not French. Sounds really like and old Landwher Prussian shako. The shako plate is nice with old type of work on it, not modern reproduction. Presence of old German newspaper inside, gothic style. I didn't remove it to see any dates but sounds for sure old. Any idea? Thanks
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reverse from the plate
 

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The diamond shape looks also British, I tried to look after the King's German Legion or something like that but didn't find anything. The back of the plate is really nice work.
 
The cardboard liner and bent pins shown on the inside look to be Napoleonic period. Not sure about the green linen.
I don't like the reverse of the Wappen. The solder looks new and I have not seen the use of washers in this fashion before on period pieces.
Can you get a side view?

John :)
 
Check out the posts I wrote on Napoleonic stuff:
https://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=10632
https://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11175
https://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=10766
All of these items have been verified by universities, dealers, museums, and even Antiques Roadshow.
Not many on this forum collect this stuff, but there are a few.

John
 
The British did supply uniforms and equipment to Prussia during wars with Napoleon. The diamond shaped plates that I have seen from that period (none were Prussian) were attached by being stitched to the front f the shako. This resulted in two small holes at each corner of the diamond. It appears that the plate is not a stamping, but and assembly of parts, haven't seen that before. I'm not saying anything is wrong with this piece, just that it is a real head banger.
 
aicusv said:
The British did supply uniforms and equipment to Prussia during wars with Napoleon. The diamond shaped plates that I have seen from that period (none were Prussian) were attached by being stitched to the front f the shako. This resulted in two small holes at each corner of the diamond. It appears that the plate is not a stamping, but and assembly of parts, haven't seen that before. I'm not saying anything is wrong with this piece, just that it is a real head banger.
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Agreed. I'm still researching to see what I can find.
It looks to well built to be a Centenar Anfertigung piece.
It could be a conglomeration of many different tschakos.

John :?
 
jp92 said:
Somebody told me could be swedish, napoleonic period but swedish...
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I suppose it is possible that it's Swedish, but I doubt it. From what I have found, so far, it mostly resembles a Tschako plate from Württemberg or Westphalia. Both of these states used a bell crown Tschako, and both used a diamond Wappen for the line infantry. I cannot find an exact match, but I am still looking.
Google "German Napoleonic Shako Plate" and you will see different examples. I don't want to break any copyright laws.

John :)
 
Thanks a lot John. It makes also sense with the german newspaper used inside to prevent humidity of insect to find room inside, i guess. still don’t want to remove nd open it to see any dates or useful information but i might do it just as curiosity. Iam collecting french napoleonic helmet plates and can be open for any exchange. I am also going to buy two to a dealer in US so can consider any offer. Thanks
 
Here are two pictures as requested. Hope it helps. Best. JPh
 

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Sandmann said:
Could be also a Württemberg-Tschako...
Don‘t know if this seller is a good one, but he got a similar one for sale
http://www.militaria-online.de/artikelnr_177
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Agreed. Here's another one from Wuerttemberg:

https://www.antik-buchwald.de/index.php/exponate/helme-kopfbedeckungen/wuerttemberg-tschako-um-1850/wuerttemberg-tschako-um-1850-15035#joomimg

It's a later model but it shows the same type of lions for the chinscales.

John :)
 
Is it hand or machine stitched? This will give you an idea of the period. In 1810 a German did invent a machine for sewing caps, but it didn't work. really functional machines didn't appear until the later 1830s, even then it was another 20 years before they could be said to be in common use.
 
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