Artillery Picklehaube identification

[Shinyblades]

The helmets are apparently from an old Irish collection and WW1 bring back trophies along with some of the 98/05 butcher bayonets with frogs / knots

 

[Peter B]

Wow! I would want them all but I'll let the more experienced members comment. I really like the Baden one though.

 

[ccj]

I too like the Baden helmet. Would like to see more of that one

 

[Shinyblades]

There were also 2 officers type

 

[Shinyblades]

But why the mixed metals on the helmet ?

 

[coert65]

Probably a 1915 style officer helmet, on which the zinc fittings lost their goldwash/plating.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Hello,
Concerning the first helmet ;
this helmet is an M57 artillery officer helmet but with some anomalies.
---The cruciform crest ball is M57 compliant, but the visor should be angular, and here it has been rounded off, which is not right.
---The crown of the eagle should be openwork, but here it is an M71 eagle, which is later than the model.
---The roundel on the right is correct for an officer, in the model M42 to 71, with a simple ribbed crown.
---The stars are for officers.
---The chinstrap is a large model for troops. Idem for the rosettes not worked.
---The interior cap with crenellations and double hole for the adjustment lace, in black varnished guilloche basane, is in accordance with the officers' models M42, M57, M67, M71 and until 1887, when it was replaced by the sweatband in basane, and silk base.
This helmet is therefore composite.

 

[b.loree]

Mid war there was a brass shortage so just as in WW2 the Germans began using "pot metal" zinc for fittings. A gold coloured "wash" was applied to make them look like brass. The second Prussian Arty helmet shown in your latest post is a foot artillery piece because of the flat chin scales. Both of these helmets are in decent shape. On many examples the interior silk liner is gone or torn/shredded after 100+ years.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

I agree with B.Loree,
At the time of mobilisation in 1914 and early 1915, given the shortage and the great demand for brass for the manufacture of cartridge cases in particular, the linings of officer's helmets were made of zinc, plated with brass or gold. However, the helmet remained the 1871 ‘officer's’ model. They can be called ‘Model 1871/1914.
The ‘Model’ 1915 officer's model had the same post side for the M91 type chinstrap, but with a box key.

For information, these last two helmets are well, only the 2 eagles are eagles for the troop. This is an M15 0fficier, with a retractable bayonet tip and a chinstrap that attaches to the post side capped by the rosette housing.


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[Shinyblades]

Thanks Clovis 57 and b Lorre
Appreciate you taking time to post
All the best. Gary

 

[KAGGR#1]

If all is correct with them , I would go for the Saxon and the Baden helmets
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

I agree with B.Loree,
At the time of mobilisation in 1914 and early 1915, given the shortage and the great demand for brass for the manufacture of cartridge cases in particular, the linings of officer's helmets were made of zinc, plated with brass or gold. However, the helmet remained the 1871 ‘officer's’ model. They can be called ‘Model 1871/1914.
The ‘Model’ 1915 officer's model had the same post side for the M91 type chinstrap, but with a box key.

For information, these last two helmets are well, only the 2 eagles are eagles for the troop. This is an M15 0fficier, with a retractable bayonet tip and a chinstrap that attaches to the post side capped by the rosette housing. View attachment 55259


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Clovis
That is a very nice helmet
I have Baden like it
Steve

 

[Shinyblades]

Thanks guys
Yes I liked the Saxon and baden
To .
Gary