Bad photos, bad example, but the first square top.

ebeeby

ebeeby

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Comments, input welcome.
Have some leather glue on the way to make a repair on the back side of the chin strap.
Any recommendations from Brian?




 
Hi ;
It has a Dragoon eagle front plate on it .
It will need a Prussian Uhlan front plate
they would be smaller .
Maybe a member can help you find the correct front plate .

Steve
 
KAGGR#1 said:
Hi ;
It has a Dragoon eagle front plate on it .
It will need a Prussian Uhlan front plate
they would be smaller .
Maybe a member can help you find the correct front plate .

Steve
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Steve is right, although it could also be from Wurtemberg, Saxony, or Bavaria. Chinscales are wrong too: these should be curved.
 
Here is one for sale a bit pricy in my opion but i dont know the prices for these plates http://www.treasure-hunt.nl/product/1714028/pruisen-manschappen-ulanen-telegraphen-luftschiffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Is that an officers helmet ?
I see no side lugs .
I took a look at the plate you were told about
It seems that they are offering an enlisted plate
for 200 Euro
Do you not need an officer's ?

Also Bruno suggested to make sure that it is a Prussian
helmet.
You might can tell by old impressions on the leather
front as to what plate was mounted there before .

Steve
 
KAGGR#1 said:
Is that an officers helmet ?
I see no side lugs .
I took a look at the plate you were told about
It seems that they are offering an enlisted plate
for 200 Euro
Do you not need an officer's ?

Also Bruno suggested to make sure that it is a Prussian
helmet.
You might can tell by old impressions on the leather
front as to what plate was mounted there before .

Steve
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Steve is correct, the eagle mentioned is of the enlisted type.
The Tschapka looks like an officer's (of the "football" style). However the visor rim is for an enlisted helmet, and the stitching looks kind of rough (what do you think, Brian?). Composite?
 
Bruno: It could be, the best way to tell would be to pull that sweatband up so that the stitch line in the front of the shell can be checked out. The stitch holes for the proper tschapka are widely spaced and come in pairs (2 holes close together). They are "tack stitches" like those found between the officer sweat band ad silk liner. If we see 2 different kinds of stitching in the front of this then that would prove that this visor is an add on.
 
Yes Eric, in my opinion this visor does not belong to this tschapka. The stitching shown in your pics unfortunately, is incorrect and done by an amateur. In one of your pics, you can see a couple of the original paired tack stitch holes. This is also the reason that the stitches shown are so long. Whoever did this, tried to use the original "paired" holes. A picture is always worth 1,000 words, so if any member who has an OR's tschapka could post a picture of a properly stitched tschapka liner (inside) that would be a huge help here. I do not own a tschapka at this time.
 
b.loree said:
Yes Eric, in my opinion this visor does not belong to this tschapka. The stitching shown in your pics unfortunately, is incorrect and done by an amateur. In one of your pics, you can see a couple of the original paired tack stitch holes. This is also the reason that the stitches shown are so long. Whoever did this, tried to use the original "paired" holes. A picture is always worth 1,000 words, so if any member who has an OR's tschapka could post a picture of a properly stitched tschapka liner (inside) that would be a huge help here. I do not own a tschapka at this time.
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Basically, you should never see external stitching on the visor of a leather Tschapka, be it enlisted or officer's (perhaps some ersatz enlisted Tschapkas made exceptions?..).





 
Thanks very much Bruno, those pics are exactly what we needed :thumb up: So, regarding tschapka construction, basically, the visor was cut out, tack stitched on to the shell in a vertical position and then folded down. Thus, there is no visible stitch line. The visor trim was then put on and the two split brads were added to hold it in place. Regarding this helmet, which started the thread, it has an officer style liner in it so there is no way that it should have had a stitched visor on it.
 
Back in the good old days when eBayers could contact one another outside of the system, this helmet might've sat there unsold. The eagle appears to have been decapitated, too.

http://pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10318" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Beautiful examples Bruno! (did I get the name right? :???: ) I still need to get a Tschapka for my collection, but the rich uncle is still in the poor house.

:D Ron
 
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