Baden Officer haube, need help

hamtaro

hamtaro

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Hi guys,

Need help on this Baden officer haube, the seller assures me that it has no extra holes, the kokarden look repro, I think the helmet is a wartime pvt purchase one.

What do you think? Should I go for it?
Sorry for the many pics.

Thanks
Bambang








 
Hi Bambang,
Honestly I cannot find any interest in this helmet; it is not very handsome, the condition is mediocre, wrong cockade, the griffin has lost all its matt finish... You will quickly get tired of it.
This is not a rare model. Save your money and get a nice one; you won't regret it!
Best wishes, Bruno
 
Hi Bruno,

Thanks for the reply, I wasnt aware of the griffin's color until you pointed it out, you are right, the griffin looks dull.
As for the helmet itself, why the white colored spike base? Is this a wartime pvt purchase helmet?

Cheers,
BB
 
Yes, most likely. War production officer helmets where often fitted with cheap (zinc) metal parts with a thin silver or gold plating that has often been lost to time. Didier Laine also told me once that these dark silk liners were generally found on wartime helmets, which I have often confirmed.
take care,
Bruno
 
Honestly I cannot find any interest in this helmet;
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I agree with Bruno. It is .... semi boring.

But I understand the bases during early war.
why the white colored spike base?
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The only thing /I would add is I have also found steel! Real shiny but magnetic!

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The most interesting part of the helmet is the highly polished magnetic steel spike neck and base. The pearl ring and stars are gilt in color. The spike itself does not unscrew and is gilt in color. I repeat however that the base and neck are magnetic highly polished steel. The liner is well worn but in place of the leather sweatband there is some sort of oil cloth instead of leather.
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More pictures are at http://www.pickelhauben.net/pickelhaube/Prussian%20ReserveFR.htm
 
911car said:
these dark silk liners were generally found on wartime helmets, which I have often confirmed.
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Hi Bruno,

Yr comment is very interesting, is this always the case for wartime helmets? I never pay attention abt silk liners until now. I always thought that these silk liners are all the same regardless of the period.

Hi Joe,

Yr Prussian office reserve pics are rather foggy, is the wappen also dull in color as this baden? Did the wappen dropped in quality during wartime? What happened to the Baden's wappen? DId someone at onetime polished it with some liquid hence eliminating the coating?


Thanks
BB
 
Yr Prussian office reserve pics are rather foggy
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Bambang,

No need to be so gentle, all of my photography stinks! R1, Tony, and Chas, and others, have spoiled us with a standard that I cannot begin to match. I am lucky to get my fingers to work well enough to hit the button on the camera!

Did the wappen dropped in quality during wartime?
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fair question that I do not think there is one answer to. Many prewar stockpiles were used. Sometimes you seeing wartime helmet with a very nice, prewar wappen. Sometimes you see, wartime wappen becoming very thin. Sometimes the wappen look a bit dull or without gilt. Did this happen during the war? Did someone polish it too much after the war? Tough to tell.
 
Hi BB,
I have no formal documentation on this but I have observed that later model/WW1 officer helmets were often fitted with dark green/brown/red silk liners, which often were not made of silk but a thicker, stronger material. This confirms what Laine once told me.
Bruno
 
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