Bavarian officers pickelhaube. A 1915 pattern or not ?

[tony v]

Greetings,

I have put this helmet up for discussion to try to ascertain which model we think it actually might be.
I have always considered it to be the mid war removable spike version or the M1915 as it is better known.
However, when compared to the officers m15 made to the correct specification it displays some very different characteristics.

1. The spike attachment is a screw on not bayonet.
2. The chinscsles are non detachable and don't have the m91 lugs fitted.
3. The screw in spike attachment is very much smaller despite the helmets compared being similar sizes.

Is this a war time hybrid of the n15 and 1895 helmet?

An officer's private purchase helmet with his own specifications added?

A 1866 version with a patent screw on spike fitting to allow better storage? See attached photo of proposed product.

Or any other theories most welcome.

Kind Regards Tony

 

[tony v]

 

[Khukri]

Indeed: there were several manufacturers for these Officers helmets. Check the catalogues. There are Reprints.

 

[Sandmann]

I would say it is a Bavarian transitional model M1914/15, shortly before the M1915 was fully developed. The emblem seems to be the smaller officer's emblem, which was introduced in February 1914. A really great and interesting helmet that shows that helmets have been developed step by step .

 

[J.LeBrasseur]

Great helmets, I love these wartime officer helmets.

James

 

[argonne]

Hi,
There are so many variations, how the spikes unscrew for officer helmets.
To my humble understanding, the pure M15 officer helmets always have rosettes on M91side posts, aside from the detachable spike with grey "button" under it, no matter if screw or bayonet fixation.
The bavarian one below is a pure M15, the JR74 not...

Philippe

 

[CLOVIS 57]

I agree with Philippe.
Th
This is a transitional or hybrid helmet.
The model is 1886, the plate is 1914 (reduced compared to the M86, and without laurel branches), and the tip is M1915.e point unscrewing system on officer's M71s was for the Trichter and Haar or Federbusch. For regiments without Busch, it was to facilitate transport in a ‘hatbox’. In general, it was only the tip that was unscrewed, while the chimney remained fixed to the base.
The officer's Model 15 has a bayonet or screw-thread system, but it is the tip and chimney assembly that can be removed, leaving only a grey-iron ventilation knob.

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[tony v]

Hurrah, thank you gentlemen for the input. Appreciated and a resolution to my question as well !

regards,

Tony