Bavarian Pickelhaube opinions?

J

jägermeister

New member
Hello, im new on this Forum and i come from Germany. And also im new in collecting Pickelhauben.
I have seen this Bavarian private purchased Pickelhaube on ebay. What are you think about this one?

cki6dgum.jpg


8j94o7xi.jpg


79oc5uua.jpg


hy7vgzdd.jpg


mhoao3xk.jpg


r533um9f.jpg


fr9kop68.jpg
 
Welcome to the forum! This is a nice place. Old-style reserve officer I have only seen this kind of liner one time before. Must have been quite high-end.

we have a listing of makers marks
http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/Helmet_Makers.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So if you are interested, yours is new and we could add your picture with the current owner's permission–also need a name for the contributors list. Thanks for showing this.
 
Hello, and welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting pics of this helmet.

The silk portion type of liner can be found in Austrian shako's, even though I see it has a Bavarian maker on this liner. I've had a high-quality Austrian shako in the past, and it had this type of silk liner in it, with no access to any of the metal fittings coming into the shako, such as to the split pins or screw posts, etcetera.

I'm puzzled as to how the access would have been made through this type of liner to replace the back star on the spike crossbase (which is clearly different than the other two stars) + also change the odd-looking Bavarian kokarde to the wrong side of the helmet, and remove the national kokarde as well (if it ever would have had a National colors kokarde on it).

I agree that the liner is really "high-end/high-quality" as Joe mentions. I've simply never seen this type of liner in a pickelhaube before, only in Austrian shakos. Even the deluxe liners in several of the Kaiser's various headgear appear to have split silk liner access to the interior of the headgear, as shown in "Deutsche Offiziershelme aus der Kaiserzeit 1870-1918", Volume 2.

I simply have my questions as shown above, and am puzzled by these points, and am seeking answers to them, as you are also. Thanks again for posting pics of this helmet!

All the Best,

Alan
 
I also have never seen a haube with this type of liner. The kokarde is also suspicious to me. It is definately not the usual original military ones that we see.
 
also change the odd-looking Bavarian kokarde to the wrong side of the helmet, and remove the national kokarde as well (if it ever would have had a National colors kokarde on it).
Click to expand...

The helmet in question is in the pre March 22, 1897, configuration. There was no national kokarde and the Bavarian kokarde was worn on the right side of the helmet. The kokarde is also a proper Bavarian officer kokarde for helmets worn before the above date. On March 22, 1897, the national kokarde was introduced and worn on the right side of the helmet. At that time, in addition to moving the Bavarian kokarde to the left side of the helmet, the kokarde was redesigned to more closely match the national kokarde.

Reservist1
 
The helmet in question is in the pre March 22, 1897, configuration.
Click to expand...

Ahhh, that explains my questions, thank you reservist1, I appreciate it! :thumb up: It also echos's Joe saying it looked like an older model helmet.

I'll have to aquire that book on the history of Bavarian Headgear/Spike Helmets. I'm in the dark on a lot of the information on Bavarian helmets in regard to their regulations & dates for when they did things, which can be quite a bit different than the Prussians.

Thanks once again for your excellent answer! =D>

All the Best,

Alan
 
Welcome to the forum! I guess everybody answered the questions as they always do. My question is, what's the thing with the yellow crank handle on the wall?

:D Ron
 
poniatowski said:
Welcome to the forum! I guess everybody answered the questions as they always do. My question is, what's the thing with the yellow crank handle on the wall?

:D Ron
Click to expand...

Probably some sort of kitchen utenstil :D

Regards,

Edwin
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top