JPT
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Beamte helmet and questions
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Square peak "dragoon style":
War Ministry - Gold fittings, no scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
War Ministry technical officials - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
War Ministry Senior Staff Apothecary - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Intendance - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales *
Military Justice - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Military Construction officials - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Technical officials of the Technical Institute - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Apothecary officials - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Provisions Offices officials - Gold fittings, no scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
Garrison Administration - Gold fittings, no scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
Telegraph officials - Silver fittings, no scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Clothing Offices officials - Gold fittings, no scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
Hospital officials - Gold fittings, no scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
War Treasury field officials - Gold fittings, no scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
* Intendance officials with the equivalence of general officers' rank wore a general officers' helmet with the small gold shield of the officials beneath the Guard star. Extremely rare I would have thought!
Round peak "infantry style"
Music Inspectors - Gold fittings, scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
Veterinary officials - Gold fittings, scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales
Zahlmeister - Silver fittings, scroll, FR, gold shield, domed chin scales
Waffenmeister - Gold fittings, scroll, FR, silver shield, domed chin scales, spike base studs
Regards
Glenn
To expand on the subject of the small eagles as worn by military officials and civil officials of the military administration, I thought it might be interesting to outline the introduction of the insignia to more easily allow soldiers to differentiate between officers and Beamte.
The AKO of 30 November 1853 "concerning the introduction of insignia to be worn above the cockade on the service cap to differentiate between the officials of various branches" introduced "a small heraldic eagle" in the form of that as worn by troops on the helmet. This was the case for all officials of the military administration regardless of career branch or seniority.
A further AKO some 45 years later dated 3 August 1898 and promulgated by a war ministry order of 17 September 1898 altered the 1853 order to reflect the difference in those officials entitled to a salute from NCOs and soldiers from those who were not. The officials in the first group continued to wear the small eagle (of course at this time worn between two cockades) and a Wappenschild or shield of the pattern as worn on an officials' epaulette or shoulder board for the latter group.
Those entitled to a salute and therefore the small eagle were:
The Militär-Intendant, Intendanturrath and Intendaturassessor
The Auditeure (judge advocates)
The Zahlmeister
The Korpsroßarzt, Ober- and Roßarzt
The Armee-Musikinspizient
The Festungs-Oberbauwart and Bauwart (fortress construction officials)
This remained the case until the AKO of 15 May 1905 when all military officials and civil officials of the military administration were afforded the courtesy of a salute from NCOs and soldiers. Thenceforward, the heraldic eagle (in Prussia) was worn on both the service cap and helmet of all.
Please find below an extract from the "Atlas des Deutschen Reichsheeres" from around the turn of the Century which illustrates the small cap insignia as then worn by the military officials of the various contingents. The 1905 helmet insignia was basically the same as those patterns at the left of this illustration but in contrasting colours to the main helmet plate. The eagle on the service cap remained silver for all.
Regards
Glenn
The AKO of 30 November 1853 "concerning the introduction of insignia to be worn above the cockade on the service cap to differentiate between the officials of various branches" introduced "a small heraldic eagle" in the form of that as worn by troops on the helmet. This was the case for all officials of the military administration regardless of career branch or seniority.
A further AKO some 45 years later dated 3 August 1898 and promulgated by a war ministry order of 17 September 1898 altered the 1853 order to reflect the difference in those officials entitled to a salute from NCOs and soldiers from those who were not. The officials in the first group continued to wear the small eagle (of course at this time worn between two cockades) and a Wappenschild or shield of the pattern as worn on an officials' epaulette or shoulder board for the latter group.
Those entitled to a salute and therefore the small eagle were:
The Militär-Intendant, Intendanturrath and Intendaturassessor
The Auditeure (judge advocates)
The Zahlmeister
The Korpsroßarzt, Ober- and Roßarzt
The Armee-Musikinspizient
The Festungs-Oberbauwart and Bauwart (fortress construction officials)
This remained the case until the AKO of 15 May 1905 when all military officials and civil officials of the military administration were afforded the courtesy of a salute from NCOs and soldiers. Thenceforward, the heraldic eagle (in Prussia) was worn on both the service cap and helmet of all.
Please find below an extract from the "Atlas des Deutschen Reichsheeres" from around the turn of the Century which illustrates the small cap insignia as then worn by the military officials of the various contingents. The 1905 helmet insignia was basically the same as those patterns at the left of this illustration but in contrasting colours to the main helmet plate. The eagle on the service cap remained silver for all.
Regards
Glenn
John Josef
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Great information
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing
JPT
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At first glance, one could think this was the service cap of a Zahlmeister. However, the use of a Wappenschild instead of a small heraldic eagle disproves that. It is configured as a cap of a Feldbeamte der Kriegskassen, literally war treasury field officials as worn between 1898 and 1905. The officials using this held the ranks of Kriegszahlmeister, Kassierer or Buchhalter.
Regards
Glenn
CLOVIS 57
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This helmet is for a Saxon Gendarmerie officer. The military Beamte officer would have this reduced module at the bottom of the star with the oval Saxon coat of arms. The cruciform base is typical of the Saxon gendarmerie. Neither police nor customs type.
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JPT
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Yes, I show it a little higher in this post
CLOVIS 57
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Voici quelques douaniers, pointe tulipée, socle cruciforme, plaques aux armes hanséatiques et provinciales, garnitures en laiton doré
Voici quelques policiers, pointe lisse, socle cruciforme, plaques aux armes municipales, royales, impériales,
hanséatiques et provinciales, garnitures en maillechort argenté.
Voici quelques policiers, pointe lisse, socle cruciforme, plaques aux armes municipales, royales, impériales,
hanséatiques et provinciales, garnitures en maillechort argenté.
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CLOVIS 57
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Thank you,
yes, I have it in my photo archives. As these “Beamte” helmets are not military, they are not framed by regulatory rigidity. Each city, each province had greater latitude against uniformity.
Here, for example, you have to rely on the tip of the exclusive police model.
This is one of the color exceptions, and that's why, in my first post, I was careful to say “in general”, because I know there are a few exceptions.
Baden Police helmet:
Baden customs helmet :
This is yet another case where the “Police” or “Customs” service has to be defined in terms of points.
Here, it is the Administration of the Grand Duke of Baden that regulates the design of the helmets, simply with a guideline laid down by the Cabinet of the King of Prussia.
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