Brunswick 92nd IR NCO pickelhaube NR

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Ok, now this one is a little out of my price range at the moment but I at least I can enjoy doing a little research and comparative studies with the helmet shown in the link. From first look at this helmet it seemed to all fit. The seller also has not hidden much with a fare share of detailed pictures. So i open the books up and do some online research but do not find much on a NCO helmet for this specific division. What do you guys think about it? I am trying to learn a little more about the ever elusive 92nd helmets and would love some input. My biggest concerns so far are the double top holes on the eagle breast behind the skull and the EM's Kockarde dont seem to fit or was that sometimes correct on NCO helmets?
 
Its not an NCO helmet. Its a Eigetumsstück (privately purchased) helmet. Not uncommon for another hole to be drilled in a Wappen of helmet shell or anything else if the first hole did not line up.
 
I completely agree with Tony. Many of these private purchase helmets were used by one-year volunteers but many were used just for common privates.

The Helmets (you will often see Fähnrich helmets and one-year volunteer helmets advertised interchangeably – later you will see that the helmets were pretty much identical) The reader should be cautioned that the helmets attributed to one year volunteers could also have been bought by a simple private, simply a purchase which adds to the confusion.
The one-year volunteer had to buy their own helmet ( private purchase or Eigentums helms) amongst other items. There were in general three different kinds of helmets. One-year volunteer helmets are easily identified by having some or most of the “officer” embellishments – but not all. There does not seem to be any specific guidance as to which “officer” embellishment would be added or not and one-year volunteer helmets vary greatly. It seems as though the driving force was how much you were willing to pay for the helmet. Cockades size does seem to have mattered.
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You might enjoy this article:
http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/new%20OneYearVolunteer.htm

The real question is about the double holes. Many collectors just label all double holes as bad. They were not. Regularly they represent a change of regiments requiring a change of helmet wappen. Regularly it was a function of moving from the active force to a reserve unit. This could be for a number of reasons which would have an active original plate and a reserve secondary. As this one has no landwehr cross it does not fit cleanly into that pattern however, especially with war in 1914 it could happen. Some reserve helmets had no cross. So if you were buying this you would have to consider your actions when selling it. You would have to explain this set up and hope that the next buyer is relatively enlightened–and not one of those who will just throw out double holes as a first recourse.
 
joerookery said:
I completely agree with Tony. Many of these private purchase helmets were used by one-year volunteers but many were used just for common privates.

The Helmets (you will often see Fähnrich helmets and one-year volunteer helmets advertised interchangeably – later you will see that the helmets were pretty much identical) The reader should be cautioned that the helmets attributed to one year volunteers could also have been bought by a simple private, simply a purchase which adds to the confusion.
The one-year volunteer had to buy their own helmet ( private purchase or Eigentums helms) amongst other items. There were in general three different kinds of helmets. One-year volunteer helmets are easily identified by having some or most of the “officer” embellishments – but not all. There does not seem to be any specific guidance as to which “officer” embellishment would be added or not and one-year volunteer helmets vary greatly. It seems as though the driving force was how much you were willing to pay for the helmet. Cockades size does seem to have mattered.
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You might enjoy this article:
http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/new%20OneYearVolunteer.htm

The real question is about the double holes. Many collectors just label all double holes as bad. They were not. Regularly they represent a change of regiments requiring a change of helmet wappen. Regularly it was a function of moving from the active force to a reserve unit. This could be for a number of reasons which would have an active original plate and a reserve secondary. As this one has no landwehr cross it does not fit cleanly into that pattern however, especially with war in 1914 it could happen. Some reserve helmets had no cross. So if you were buying this you would have to consider your actions when selling it. You would have to explain this set up and hope that the next buyer is relatively enlightened–and not one of those who will just throw out double holes as a first recourse.
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Joe, this was within reason though, right? For example, you wouldn't find a Bavarian Artillery helmet with a Prussian line plate on it, correct?

:D Ron
 
It was within reason on several different levels however, you always have to think it through and explain it. For instance this guy could have moved with his private purchase helmet from one location into Braunschweig after his active duty time. It could happen–another possibility is the used helmet market which seems to have flourished a bit. there are a lot of possibilities. You just never will know for sure.
 
To me, it looks correct. It is not really double holes. The first hole did not line up properly resulting in the Totenkopf being crooked, so another hole was drilled. These were hand-assembled. If I did not have one, I would buy it.
 
Tony without Kaiser said:
To me, it looks correct. It is not really double holes. The first hole did not line up properly resulting in the Totenkopf being crooked, so another hole was drilled. These were hand-assembled. If I did not have one, I would buy it.
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But.... I can't afford it right now! :o Actually, I liked his Hessian helmet as well. Maybe my wife would let me blow $7,000 just for fun... nope, ain't happening. But, yes, nice addition to a collection.

:D Ron
 
poniatowski said:
Tony without Kaiser said:
To me, it looks correct. It is not really double holes. The first hole did not line up properly resulting in the Totenkopf being crooked, so another hole was drilled. These were hand-assembled. If I did not have one, I would buy it.
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But.... I can't afford it right now! :o Actually, I liked his Hessian helmet as well. Maybe my wife would let me blow $7,000 just for fun... nope, ain't happening. But, yes, nice addition to a collection.

:D Ron
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I agree, both look pristine but too much mulla! i wonder if the seller had started the bids at $1 if the typical snowball effect of massive bids would ensue... ive seen it happen. ive seen the same helmets offered on ebay and bids go way beyond what its worth on some fixed price helmet retailer websites.
 
Hi,
I'm a 'new' member to this forum, but I've been 'trolling' here for several years. I am selling this helmet on Ebay for an non active member of this forum - Zorndorf. I know that T. Schnurr has worked with the owner. I've had over 40 inquires about this helmet, been offered trades , combo deals, just about everything. It's unfortunatly not mine to barter with. I've taken over a dozen pics of the banner alone. So, if you have any questions, I'll be happy to try and answer. :D
 
Was the IR 92 helmet in this thread the one mentioned in the old post below?
If so, what repairs were made to it?



Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: Thank you for the welcome
Gentlemen, a belated thank you for your welcome. As this is my busy season at work, corporate insurance for European based companies doing business in the US, I am only getting around to driving through the site now.
I have worked with Brian on several repair efforts on at least two different helmets of mine: an NCO or OYV IR92 3rd Battalion with the skull and cross bones device and a Wurttemberg fire helmet that was a childhood present from my mother and the start of what has become a very expensive hobby! I have also corresponded with Tony of the Kaiser Bunker fame as he was of immense help to me on an inquiry I had relative to the Hanoverian fusiliers of IR73. I look forward to participating and learning. Vielen danken! Tschuss! Bill H
 
Yes, this is the helmet. I believe the chinscales were either repaired and or replaced with an another original one in better condition. I will have double check with Bill (who is in Paris this weekend).
 
Just spoke with Bill, calling from Paris just to rub it in. The chinstrap had some of the stiching repaired by B. Loree of this website fame. It was about 5 years ago, if he remembers ... according to Zorndorf.
 
akleden said:
Just spoke with Bill, calling from Paris just to rub it in. The chinstrap had some of the stiching repaired by B. Loree of this website fame. It was about 5 years ago, if he remembers ... according to Zorndorf.
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Yes. but is this B. Loree a reputable person? has anyone actually met him? Is he really Canadian? Does he believe that penguins speak Canadian?
Best
Gus
 
akleden said:
// I know that T. Schnurr has worked with the owner. //
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You are incorrect. I have not worked with Bill on anything. Bill have I have exchanged some emails and he seems like a very nice person. That's it.
 
I'm sorry. When I said ‘worked’ I meant, to discuss and exchanged of ideas. I did not mean to imply anything else.
 
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