Can you please help identify 1890s Saxon, Baden, Childs?

collectibleme

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I have researched the library, which had very little in my town. Online a couple fellas told me conflicting origins..so I'm pretty confused.
Can you tell me about the origin of the helmet, date, and if it is a child's? Why a child would have such a helmet back then?
The kockades are:
white on the outside metal rim, green in the middle and then white under the metal chin strap holder.
On the opposite side it appears it originally had traces of red on the outside metal rim, white in the middle and red under the metal chin strap holder.
Does this signify the origin of the person issued to and the army they were in? What locations would those be?
The writing on the front visor says as best I can make out:
on the far left upper corner MD or some letter and W or INW
89
12 AR or 12.1R
in a box further to the right it says 1891 or 1894 – is this the manufactured date? and do you believe it to be patterned date?
This part is real faint possibly Zeb lll or Rebelll
The back light color imprint of 55.5 which I assume is the size, but such a small size –was a soldier that small or was this made for a child? Why would they make a helmet for a child? Were they enlisted so young, in military school, or a child given it as a gift from a enlisted soldier or what would cause a helmet to be so small and is that unusual?
I am interested in your opinion on the chin straps. the one there in full length is 7 ¼ from to the protruding metal part of the clasp. If I should replace them I’d like to use ones of the same age if you think that’s wise. What would be the cost normally for this, and should I replace both or just the one.

Is it rare? Should I get this authenticated, and by whom, and what would something like that cost?

Germanns Fres is on the inside paper label inside the hat..what would have been on the rest?

Ghosang on the brass under rim of the front visor..is that the helmet maker and from what country was that?

The other thing that’s confusing to me is the spike portion. I read they didn’t detach until around 1915, however this has only 2 vent holes, which I think makes it older and it does screw off the top. Is that correct for its age?

Thank you in advance for your time and your wisdom. I have never seen one of these and I am very excited about it!!!
 
I'm finishing up at work without any reference books, but 1) it's not a child's helmet. 2) It is from the Kingdom of Saxony in what was then central (now eastern) Germany. 3) the ball or 'kugel' (with an umlaut over the u) represents field artillery. I'll look around at my books when I get a chance, or am sure somebody else will answer the rest of your questions for you. Usually, the wappen, or plate, is snug to the top of the helmet, so this looks a little odd at the moment, but again, time to do some book diggin'.

:D Ron
 
12AR would be correct for Saxon Artillery. Others will chime in for the rest of the details. A great resto possible here. More picture please.
=D>
Jerry
 
Here's some more pictures. I can take some in certain spots if your interested to see something in particular.
I think this poor baby got attacked from somewhere. He got wacked on his ball and his back and his front. And he was only a little guy.
 
poniatowski said:
the ball or 'kugel' (with an umlaut over the u)

Ron, "Kugel" without Umlaut is the right word for "ball". :wink: There is no "Kügel" word in German :D

Philippe
 
argonne said:
poniatowski said:
the ball or 'kugel' (with an umlaut over the u)

Ron, "Kugel" without Umlaut is the right word for "ball". :wink: There is no "Kügel" word in German :D

Philippe


Thank you sir! I spell poorly enough in English... German I get mixed up sometimes. Probably because I mispronounce Kugel...

:D Ron
 
Ron, to be honest, Goethes Sprache and its grammatic makes me sometimes crazy too... ](*,) :D :D :D
Philippe
 
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