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Yep the helmet would be correct for IR75. I have a couple of questions though. I dont have a steel ersatz haube in my collection, though I keep trying , so I have nothing to compare it to. I do have a 1915 JzP and 2 felt ersatz, which have slots, rather than round holes for mounting the wappen. All three have the slots perfectly symetrical. On this one they both slant in the same direction. I dont know enough, but I would have thought they should be symetrical? Also I thought the paint looked a little too nice?
These are questions as I dont know for sure, and I would really appreciate info, as I was actually considering the helmet myself. The slots and the exterior paint kind of put me off at the moment.
These are questions as I dont know for sure, and I would really appreciate info, as I was actually considering the helmet myself. The slots and the exterior paint kind of put me off at the moment.
Yep, there must be someone out there that can give a definitive answer. For my part, I really dont like those slots though as I say I have nothing to ref. with. The more I look at it the more they look either wrong or adapted. Still not sure on that paint either. If its a good one I would really like to have a go at it, though Im guessing it will go way out of my budget as they all do sigh.
Just had another look at that paint. If Im honest it seems like there might be a bit of filler under there in some places 8-[
Just had another look at that paint. If Im honest it seems like there might be a bit of filler under there in some places 8-[
hindenburg1418
New member
Looks good to me.
But have a doubt by the paint .
The green paint looks not good wenn i compare it with my steel helmet is more dark green.
But have a doubt by the paint .
The green paint looks not good wenn i compare it with my steel helmet is more dark green.
argonne
Well-known member
I really think this helmet has a good smell. Even the paint. The condition of all parts (fittings, shell, liner, cokades) is homogeneous and well preserved, as one often can see.The color of this paint is very coherent outside and inside of helmet. The IR75 stamp is also looking pretty good for me and genuine. The paint is under it with some rust coming through. I can´t see any traces of filler on the picts...The Bremen state cockade is also clearly authentic as far as I can see. All this coherence would be very very hard to fake. This helmet is not a "killer" like a guard helmet or from a scarce state like Hessen, Mecklenburg or saxon duchies and would never bring so much money. This is not the kind of helmet misused by fakers, but maybe by dilettantes and amateurish collectors, and then the final result would be another... And yes, those slots that are not symetrical!!! Don´t you think that a bloody Dr Fake would´nt manage the simmetry of two slots?
I see no problems with this Haube.
Philippe :salute:
I see no problems with this Haube.
Philippe :salute:
Ok here is my problem.
As I said the only ref. I have are the helmets in my own collection. I have another felt ersatz with the same slots, also symmetrical.
To me the slots on this helmet do not look like they were punched out by any factory, they look at the very least to have been adapted at some point. I might be wrong which is why I am asking. As far as the haube being coherent throughout. Well original parts are available. I agree the stamp looks good and I agree the interior paint looks good, however I still think the exterior may have been repainted.
Here is a 1917 s/helm I bought from a car boot sale 2 years ago for £5 !! Thats about 3 us dollars I think
The interior was lovely, original paint and liner. The exterior was slightly pitted and painted with flowers and a sickly blue paint. I cleaned off the paint, took the helmet to a specialist paint matching company, got the paint matched, cleaned and re finished the helmet. With some wire wool and caustic soda, the aging effect is very easy to obtain. The exposed steel will soon get the bleed through rust. It stains the paint and until you can light test it, when its in your hands, it looks fine in a pic. I tried to take the helm showing how close the paint match really is.
This helmet normally sits on the head of my shop dummy in my dug out display. As I said I live on a boat and damp is an issue, I simply cant keep original s/helms or haubes out of a cabinet that is moisture controlled, so this was a nice cheap way of doing things.
Excuse the spice rack in the background.
Now I am not saying the helmet is not original. I do think that exterior paint has been tampered with and Im not sure about the slots.
Dont get me wrong..I am asking for clarification and giving my reasons for doing it. If someone can tell me yes thats totally as it should be, I will be bidding on this item. I just have issues with it at the moment
As I said the only ref. I have are the helmets in my own collection. I have another felt ersatz with the same slots, also symmetrical.
To me the slots on this helmet do not look like they were punched out by any factory, they look at the very least to have been adapted at some point. I might be wrong which is why I am asking. As far as the haube being coherent throughout. Well original parts are available. I agree the stamp looks good and I agree the interior paint looks good, however I still think the exterior may have been repainted.
Here is a 1917 s/helm I bought from a car boot sale 2 years ago for £5 !! Thats about 3 us dollars I think
The interior was lovely, original paint and liner. The exterior was slightly pitted and painted with flowers and a sickly blue paint. I cleaned off the paint, took the helmet to a specialist paint matching company, got the paint matched, cleaned and re finished the helmet. With some wire wool and caustic soda, the aging effect is very easy to obtain. The exposed steel will soon get the bleed through rust. It stains the paint and until you can light test it, when its in your hands, it looks fine in a pic. I tried to take the helm showing how close the paint match really is.
This helmet normally sits on the head of my shop dummy in my dug out display. As I said I live on a boat and damp is an issue, I simply cant keep original s/helms or haubes out of a cabinet that is moisture controlled, so this was a nice cheap way of doing things.
Excuse the spice rack in the background.
Now I am not saying the helmet is not original. I do think that exterior paint has been tampered with and Im not sure about the slots.
Dont get me wrong..I am asking for clarification and giving my reasons for doing it. If someone can tell me yes thats totally as it should be, I will be bidding on this item. I just have issues with it at the moment
oldhelmets
New member
Somebody's going to be out of pocket. These helmets were originally spun and marks show clearly inside them. No such marks can be seen here.
It would be interesting to see under the liner, Not that seeing that would make it original.
It would be interesting to see under the liner, Not that seeing that would make it original.
pointystuff
Active member
It seems like there was a thread somewhere on here that discussed the possibility that the lines on the metal helmets were die marks from a gradual pressing instead of from spinning. It's hard to figure how an oval could be spun.
Im going to pass on this one. I was looking at the one on tony`s site earlier and saw his comment on the lines. Was still thinking maybe it was an original that had been filled and repainted, but if the lines are also meant to be visible on the inside and with those slots, its not for me.
poniatowski
Well-known member
The reference to Tony's helmet is very good. On one of the pix you can see the machining marks on the side of the helmet. I have one of these and the marks are also very evident, the one in the auction does not have them. I also have one of the 'Japanned' types, and on that one the wappen (Prussian line eagle) has a big loop horizontally in back and a single slot in the helmet to accept it... not that this matters with this auction! 
It's just peculiar to that particular manufacturer and that single type.
Ron
It's just peculiar to that particular manufacturer and that single type. Ron
poniatowski
Well-known member
poniatowski said:The reference to Tony's helmet is very good. On one of the pix you can see the machining marks on the side of the helmet. I have one of these and the marks are also very evident, the one in the auction does not have them. I also have one of the 'Japanned' types, and on that one the wappen (Prussian line eagle) has a big loop horizontally in back and a single slot in the helmet to accept it... not that this matters with this auction!
Okay, so I looked at a photo I took years ago of the plate. Now, this helmet was purchased in the late 1970's from Floyd Tubbs, who many of us know as a wonderful helmet collector and good friend. Guess what!?? I never noticed that the plate is NOT original to the helmet. There are solder areas where the loops were for a standard mount; although the specialized mount for the steel helmet looks original and is well done, it's almost certainly not right and it's VERY obvious now (shows what experience and a web site like this can do!). Oh well, still a pretty nice helmet. I'll post photos over on the 'discussion' thread when I scan them.
Ron