Could you help me with indentification of this star? JR115

Tony without Kaiser

Tony without Kaiser

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Look at the link below, and look at the helmet Wappen (plate) for Leibgarde-Infanterie-Regt. (1. Großherzoglich Hessisches) Nr.115 (Darmstadt) XVIII Armee Korps. A fe (very very lucky) people on this forum have examples of this helmet. Sadly, I am not one of them.

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That star was only worn by Regt 115. Many states had "Garde Regts" 115 is the only Garde Regt for Hesse and thus no other Hessen Regt wore it. The square nuts and screw post means of fixation on the back of your star suggests to me that it is from a Hessen Regt 115 helmet plate...not from anything else. If you gave us the horizontal and vertical dimensions of the star (point to point), we could pin this down for you. Oh and don't feel too sorry for Tony, he has just about every other rare helmet that exists including a Garde du Korps and an Model 1842 the grand daddy of them all !!! A picture of my humble JR115 helme:
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Regards, Brian
 
The diameter of the star (point to point) on my 115th helmet is 56mm.
The following image of the back of the helmet plate shows the mounting location of the star.



Reservist1
 
Ok guys one quick question...... The Hessen 115 that you speak of had all silvered fittings. It appears that the star and attached motto on Frysztak's example is brass?? I am not sure about the material "alpaca"

That star was only worn by Regt 115. Many states had "Garde Regts" 115 is the only Garde Regt for Hesse and thus no other Hessen Regt wore it
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What about Hessen Field artillery #25????? The fittings on this helmet were brass. Bill
 
Bill: Alpaca (Alpacca) is another name for nickel silver (German silver).

In 1915 FAR 25 was authorized to wear a similar star, in silver, on the helmet front plate. However, the proper star for FAR 25 has crossed swords. The star for Infantry Regiment 115 does not have crossed swords.

Reservist 1
 
Reservist 1

Alpaca (Alpacca) is another name for nickel silver (German silver).
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The star sure looks like brass on my screen so if it is German silver that eliminates any problems.
As per regulations the star should have swords but according to Stubbs due to the date of the regulation ( 29 March 1915) it is doubtful that the version was ever produced. Examples exist where the swords have been added to existing stars ie added to existing stars for the Life Guard IR 115. Most used existing stars without swords. Bill
 
Brian and R1 got it right, as usual! I still would like to add that two other hessian regiments were given this star (named the Ludwig Order Kreuz) to wear on the helmet plate in 1915, and since it was wartime it was adorned with two crossed swords:
- DR23, the first hessian Dragoner Regiment
- FR25, the hessian artillery regiment, as R1 already mentioned
According to Larcade, enlisted men in fact never received the new helmet plate (I told you before that Hesse was a cheap state...), which was only worn by officers from these two regiments. No need to say it is extremely rare...
Bruno
 
No need to say it is extremely rare...
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Absolutely! But just for the sake of discussion what would a private purchase helmet of an Officer candidate for DR 23 or FAR 25 look like in 1915? Bill
 
So as not to confuse ourselves, or others, we need to remember that the officer star is multi piece construction with enamel ring and center. The enlisted star is a one piece stamping.

Reservist1
 
Bruno sent me a foto of his JR115 OR's helmet. Here it is:
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Bruno...my helmet is stamped BA 18 The number is not in Roman numerals. R1 and Bruno...exceptional pieces!!! OK who has the JR115 officer helme out there??? Brian
 
One last thing and yes, I think that this was discussed before regarding the JR115 spikes. Brunos' helmet and mine have a crimped spike tip only which screws into the top of the spike base neck. I believe R1's helmet represents the other more traditional style where the spike point and cone screw down on to the neck of the spike base. Thus, collectors should know that there are 2 styles of spikes on these JR115 helmets.
One more question, is this spike tip versus spike tip and cone unique to JR115? On the 2 other Hessen helmets that I own, (both have brass fittings and one is an officer). On both of these we have a crimped spike tip and cone arrangement. R1 please confirm that your spike top is not just a crimped "tip". Brian
 
R1 please confirm that your spike top is not just a crimped "tip".

Brian: You are correct. Here is an image of the spike on my 115th. The helmet is marked Martin Mayer Mainz 1915.


Reservist1
 
Thanks for posting your spike R1. The least I can do is reciprocate. Here is the spike "tip" variation from my JR115:
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Again, I would like to know whether any members have seen this spike tip version on any non JR115 Hessen helmets. Brian
 
Again, I would like to know whether any members have seen this spike tip version on any non JR115 Hessen helmets.
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Brian,

I was not even aware there were two different kinds of OR fluted spikes! I learn something everyday on this forum! Therefore I have never seen the type that you or Bruno have shown or at least I never noticed it -- not odd for me -- I didn't even notice the cockade on Chas's helmet.

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Hey Joe,
I would be suprised if there was only two types of OR M15 spike, we live in a world of standardization, now, but 100 years ago, I would guess that you could find variations among the same manufacturer's goods in many cases.
Best wishes
Gus
 
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